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a_ak57

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Who sets the standards?
« on: February 28, 2005, 05:05:51 AM »
From my time here, i don't recall this ever being discussed...But who set the standards when measuring a bowler's specs?  As in, "medium" revs and "medium" speed.  We all know that most bowlers are strokers, making the average amount of revs, low.  So shouldn't that be the "medium" amount?  Why is it that the amount of revs considered "average", is actually higher than the TRUE average?  Maybe it's me, but that just doesn't make sense.  Someone who has "medium" revs as defined by a tweener, still has more revs than most bowlers.  So shouldn't that mean they have more than average?  And it would make sense that the real average revs should be considered a "medium" amount.  Same thing applies with speed.  So many bowlers, by these standards, have "low" speed.  But like i said, shouldn't low, medium and high reflect on the REALITY of bowlers?  I'm just saying all this, because tweeners are bowlers that have "medium" revs and speed, but have more revs and speed than most all bowlers.  They are actually above average, but humbled by being considered "average".  I know i'm ranting, but i just think it makes NO sense to have a low, medium and high system that has NO correlation to how it really is.  Basically, in effect, i'm saying that the mean (average) amount of revs and speed, is what we should consider to be "medium", NOT tweener amounts, since most bowlers aren't even tweeners.  This way, when we see someone say they have "low" revs, we know they really mean it, not that they trully have average revs as compared with others.

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Re: Who sets the standards?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2005, 01:11:11 PM »
shhhhhhh just go to sleep andy...go to sleep.
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Re: Who sets the standards?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2005, 01:17:53 PM »
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Re: Who sets the standards?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2005, 01:19:29 PM »
I know but my point is, the tweener is still considered to have medium everything, but is above average compared to all bowlers as a group.  I just think there shouldn't be such a difference there.
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Re: Who sets the standards?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2005, 01:41:55 PM »
Andy,

One sense it makes is that the amount of "revs" a person has is one of the many important factors is determining how a ball will work for them, how to drill it, and how to get the proper surface. The ball and the lane do not care where he is in the "pecking" order of revs. However, it can make a big difference in what ball is picked and how it is prepared for him to use.

It almost seems as if you're implying it's an honor to be a tweener instead of a stroker. My opinion, FWIW, is that it's not a bad thing nor a good thing; it just is.

Redefining medium "revs", as you seem to be approaching it, is often, in the world of statistics (Some statistician, please correct me if I'm wrong; it's been a LOONG time.), is what is termed the median. That's the number at which 50% (correctly, 49.99999999999%) are above that rev number and 50% (correctly, 49.999999%) are below that number.

That would draw an interesting picture, but wouldn't have much meaning in the world of bowling balls or lane oil.

However, an Average is a very different thing than the median. Average is more of what's the lowest "normal" rev rate and what's the highest. Halfway in between is average or medium revs. (See something called the "Bell Curve".) I know it seems it's all a way of playing with numbers, BUT, we play with them until we can get meaningful results that can be used purposefully. Right now, the "median" is only intellectually interesting, not practically interesting. Average is of at least one practical use.

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Re: Who sets the standards?
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2005, 01:46:22 PM »
You’re mixing two different measurements.

As far as styles go you can break them into 3 basic categories, Strokers, Tweeners, and Crankers. They are generally classified by the number revs the produce.

The fact that 50% of the bowlers would be in the Stroker rev range, 35% in the Tweener range, and 15% in the Cranker range has nothing to do with those categories.

Now you could look at what is the average (mean) number of revs produced by league bowlers. That number might be 200 in the high end of the stroker range. The median might be 150.

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Re: Who sets the standards?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2005, 01:50:16 PM »
so technically, if you think of it as "below average=stroker average=tweener and above average=cranker", anything below 150-200 would be stroker, anything around 150-200 would be tweener, and anything above would be cranker?
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Re: Who sets the standards?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2005, 01:55:06 PM »
You guys are getting into things that are different than what i originally meant.  What I mean to say is, when somebody comes on here and says they have "medium" revs, I take that to mean that they have as many revs as most people do.  But that would put them closer to a stroker level, rather than the tweener level which Medium implies.  What i mean is this.  If you take bowlers as a whole, I have above average revs, compared to most bowlers.  But, if you talk about low, medium or high rpm rate, i'm most likely just medium, a tweener.  Perhaps medium-high but you get the idea.
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Re: Who sets the standards?
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2005, 01:57:37 PM »
Andy, I know its frustrating but I think these types of topics are hard to put in to words. I agree with what your saying, but are you asking a question or making a statement? I mean, I guess I am "above average revs", so that makes me a cranker right? *tries to make self feel good about the way I bowl* lol
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Re: Who sets the standards?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2005, 06:04:07 PM »
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You guys are getting into things that are different than what i originally meant.  What I mean to say is, when somebody comes on here and says they have "medium" revs, I take that to mean that they have as many revs as most people do.  But that would put them closer to a stroker level, rather than the tweener level which Medium implies.  What i mean is this.  If you take bowlers as a whole, I have above average revs, compared to most bowlers.  But, if you talk about low, medium or high rpm rate, i'm most likely just medium, a tweener.  Perhaps medium-high but you get the idea.
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Andy,

That is EXACTLY and PRECISELY why I have many times asked someone, when they sau they have avgerage revs, is that PBA revs or league revs??
That is very important. I can't go by league revs: 90% are strokers - less than 200 rpm, maybe 10-11 revs down the lane, IF they're lucky.

Avg. PBA revs is (I Think)  325-350 rpms, (maybe) 14-15 revs down the lane.

I can hit 20 revs, but prefer to keep it to 12-15, depending.

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