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Remmah

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Who was having a worse day?
« on: April 25, 2021, 11:07:54 AM »
Who was having the worse day Randy or Anthony?
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Bowler19525

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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2021, 12:24:43 PM »
Anthony made his day worse by acting like a prima donna.  Venting to the ball reps and stating it might be time for a career change?  Complaining that the pin setters were bad on the right lane, then complaining they were bad on the left lane one game later?  Blaming the lane when you blatantly miss your target?  All on live TV?  Unnecessary.  Tom Clark needs to have a discussion with Anthony asap.  His behavior was embarrassing.

Randy was doing his job and was asked for his opinion on why Anthony was struggling.  Randy told it the way it was.  He probably didn't want to  have to go down that road, but did very well given the situation he was faced with.
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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2021, 06:21:51 PM »
^^^ Totally agree.  Everyone's playing on the same pair, and nobody else was whining.  Simonson needs to quit blaming the equipment and focus on his game and make the shots like others are doing.  Too much big success early probably wasn't helpful to his growth.
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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2021, 10:14:08 PM »
For a guy who is so versatile he seems to have fallen into the trap of trying to over power every pattern by piping it up 10 board at 20+. Last time he was on he did the same thing with urethane and you could see he was in jail right away
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2021, 09:00:34 AM »
I was surprised to hear Randy be that open and honest when asked about Simonsen, but I didn't have a problem with it. I did have to chuckle a bit, however, because I believe Randy's last ever TV telecast ended with him screaming up into the bleachers at a guy who he felt intentionally made a noise as he delivered his final shot. But I digress.

Simonsen has more talent than most of us will ever dream of. The fact that he is capable of winning, playing straight, hooking the entire lane, and even switching to a backup ball is crazy. However, he doesn't seem to have a great deal of strength between the ears right now. We've heard about him getting into trouble for his outbursts during tournaments already, and this weekend's behavior was just sad. He's one of the greatest bowlers in the world, and he carried on like a disgruntled house hack.

I don't know if the PBA needs to say/do something with that or not. In some ways, they probably enjoy playing up that bad boy angle with him as they think that it resonates with some fans, especially now that Rash has calmed down with age, and Pete is no longer on the regular Tour. For me, it was just annoying to hear him complaining after every single shot, especially when Larsen was having no carry issues whatsoever on the same pair. Again, I don't know if the PBA will or even should say something. I just didn't like it.

That being said, I WILL give Simonsen credit for showing some class as Larsen went for the 300. He wished him luck as he went up for his tenth, and he sincerely seemed like he wanted him to cash it out for perfecto. At least he didn't continue whining/stewing as that situation played out.
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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2021, 09:08:20 AM »
Its great for who ever is bowling against AS.

During matches you should start saying things like "it keeps setting the pins off", "I cant believe that shot carried", "whats wrong with this equipment", "I got away with another one" especially it it isnt true and you threw an amazing shot etc. Feed into the mental game problems of your opponent when you see/hear something like that. You can bet other pros are paying attention to it.
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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2021, 10:07:39 AM »
I just got done watching day 2 (Sunday).  I would now argue that Butturf had a worse day that Simo.
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Bowler19525

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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2021, 10:28:20 AM »
Quote from: Gene J Kanak on April 26, 2021, 09:00:34 AM
I was surprised to hear Randy be that open and honest when asked about Simonsen, but I didn't have a problem with it. I did have to chuckle a bit, however, because I believe Randy's last ever TV telecast ended with him screaming up into the bleachers at a guy who he felt intentionally made a noise as he delivered his final shot. But I digress.

Simonsen has more talent than most of us will ever dream of. The fact that he is capable of winning, playing straight, hooking the entire lane, and even switching to a backup ball is crazy. However, he doesn't seem to have a great deal of strength between the ears right now. We've heard about him getting into trouble for his outbursts during tournaments already, and this weekend's behavior was just sad. He's one of the greatest bowlers in the world, and he carried on like a disgruntled house hack.

I don't know if the PBA needs to say/do something with that or not. In some ways, they probably enjoy playing up that bad boy angle with him as they think that it resonates with some fans, especially now that Rash has calmed down with age, and Pete is no longer on the regular Tour. For me, it was just annoying to hear him complaining after every single shot, especially when Larsen was having no carry issues whatsoever on the same pair. Again, I don't know if the PBA will or even should say something. I just didn't like it.

That being said, I WILL give Simonsen credit for showing some class as Larsen went for the 300. He wished him luck as he went up for his tenth, and he sincerely seemed like he wanted him to cash it out for perfecto. At least he didn't continue whining/stewing as that situation played out.

His behavior was dangerously close to violating the PBA conduct guidelines.  Verbally complaining about the pinsetters is basically being critical of the host center.  Venting to people during commercial break comes very close to being verbally abusive to staff.  Proclaiming that it may be time to find a new career is close to being critical of the PBA itself.

Dick Allen and Bill O'Neill started to let some of their frustrations surface yesterday as well.  But not at the level that Simonsen displayed on Saturday.  Tom Clark needs to pull Simonsen aside and diplomatically put things in perspective for him.  Belmonte seems to have some sort of affinity for Simonsen as well.  Perhaps a conference call between Clark, Simonsen, and Belmonte is necessary to help Simonsen work through his immediate issues.  Regardless, the PBA needs to step in at this point.
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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2021, 10:56:05 AM »
I'm not at all really offended or shocked or dismayed by any of what I've heard over the last two days. I'm not excusing it by any means, but compared to the behavior of most other professional athletes nowadays, it is small potatoes. 
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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2021, 11:14:59 AM »
^^^^  Agreed.  I hear more grousing and complaining from bowlers during my league sessions.  Golfing great Arnold Palmer had the best reply. Once, while golfing with an amateur friend---- this friend, at one point, got so disgusted that he cursed and threw his club onto the ground. Arnie looked at his friend, laughed and said; "Relax. You're not GOOD enough to get that angry."

I have no issue with Simonsen's remarks.
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Bowler19525

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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2021, 12:56:26 PM »
These players are bowling at a level that they should have better control over their frustrations.  They are also bowling on a national stage.  When junior bowlers watch these players behave like that it puts forth the wrong image.  I have seen a lot of junior bowlers locally behave similarly, and in some cases parents will justifiably pull them out of a match and end their morning.  If they don't completely pull them from the match, they immediately pull them aside and read them the riot act.  As much as these guys on TV might not realize it, they are role models to a whole generation of aspiring pro bowlers.

I agree that professional athletes seem to be acting more and more privileged and entitled these days, but that doesn't mean the bowlers on the PBA should get a pass for behaving similarly.  Someone has to start setting a standard for how professional athletes should behave and there is no reason why it cannot be the PBA.  Imagine that...professional bowlers flipping the script and becoming the gold standard for professional athlete conduct.  What a concept. 
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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2021, 03:54:46 PM »
I don't think at this point Anthony really cares what anyone else think (JMO).  Watching the match and seeing him get visibly upset I made the comment that he was his own worst enemy and unless he was able to get past is he was going to lose.  The guy is immensely talented but he will struggle to maximize his potential until he can control his emotions.

I was not offended by the way he acted, because that is what I have come to expect from him.  I do agree with others that I see this type of reaction or worse during league almost weekly.  Does this make it right?  I know that I don't want to be that guy, but they evidently don't care.  For those that are worried about how their kids will act when seeing professionals do this, spend time parenting your kids and teaching them the how to win and lose gracefully. 

I remember Cam Newton's response after losing the Super Bowl when confronted about his actions.   "Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.", What Cam failed to grasp is that he was still a loser(his team lost on that day).

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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2021, 09:19:26 AM »
Randy's Rant was a culmination of witnesessing Simo's bratty behavior all across the world when the TV cameras aren't on. He's been through a lot personally, but so has everyone. Destroying center equipment, having dramatic fry outs in front of spectators, the list goes on and on.

It's just poor professionalism and immaturity. Let time tell the story. He'll learn.
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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2021, 03:28:46 PM »
Professional athletes are not the best role model in many cases. Parents should not depend on them to show their kids how to act.

Watching him  on tv reminded me of a younger, more talented Rash. He will figure it out, maybe after being forced to by those in authority; or he will find another job. Right now, his antics are probably good for ratings.
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Re: Who was having a worse day?
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2021, 08:23:33 PM »
Quote from: ccrider on April 28, 2021, 03:28:46 PM
Professional athletes are not the best role model in many cases. Parents should not depend on them to show their kids how to act.

Watching him  on tv reminded me of a younger, more talented Rash. He will figure it out, maybe after being forced to by those in authority; or he will find another job. Right now, his antics are probably good for ratings.

We're kinda thinking the same thing.

Hollman was fairly tame (despite that .. what was it, 9-tournament suspension for kicking and breaking the foul lights?) compared to PDW. And if Pete wore his emotions on his sleeve and got flack for that, he willingly chose to be the bad guy, to the point where he reveled in it, all the way until he went to the PBA50 tour and became the elder statesman.

After that, Rash started to pick that up and roll with it.. then he became a father. Ritchie Allen could have as well, but became a father, and now he's Dick (He can't be Rick Allen; he'd have to lose an arm)  ;)

So right now, I could see Simo playing that bad guy without trying to be the bad guy, only he is going about it the wrong way. There's being the bad guy complaining, but then there is being a whining bratty kid while complaining. He could gain fans and ratings with the former, and lose them all with the latter.

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