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JessN16

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Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« on: March 15, 2008, 05:46:15 PM »
I've always had good luck with these things (DynoThane Cure being at the top of the list) even when I'm not on a flooded shot. They're smooth, they don't overreact in the back, and if I need to bowl on something less than an oilslick, I just drill 'em weak and watch them store a bunch of energy for the backend.

Literally every one I've tried, I've liked (except for the Columbia Complete Chaos, which if it was a high-load particle, was crap in my hands). So why are these things harder to find than flawless diamonds?

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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 01:48:39 AM »
Brunswick Mammoth is a high load particle
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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2008, 01:56:58 AM »
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JessN16

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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2008, 02:11:26 AM »
^^These responses point out what I'm talking about.^^

One Brunswick ball, plus the Legends/LaneMasters stuff they're famous for. (side note: I also had a Yeah Baby, which was a good ball for me.)

My question was to point out how you can't find these things from Storm, Ebonite, AMF, etc. There seem to be a lot of light-load stuff out there, but if you want heavy-load stuff, your choices are limited.

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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2008, 03:01:24 AM »
Perhaps the supplies are limited because the demand is so limited.  You are the only person in a long time that I've seen that wanted high load particle balls.
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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2008, 05:17:11 AM »
They aren't as numerous as they used to be.Many of the new reactives with the right surface give a better reaction than the high load particles did.
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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2008, 09:21:21 AM »
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^^These responses point out what I'm talking about.^^

One Brunswick ball, plus the Legends/LaneMasters stuff they're famous for. (side note: I also had a Yeah Baby, which was a good ball for me.)

My question was to point out how you can't find these things from Storm, Ebonite, AMF, etc. There seem to be a lot of light-load stuff out there, but if you want heavy-load stuff, your choices are limited.

Jess


I agree. Nothing better in the heavier stuff than a heay-load particle. Problem is people don't see a booming backend, so they don't like them. Long and strong became the mantra of the manufactures you listed.
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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2008, 10:46:53 AM »
Jess I am the exact opposite of you. Every high load particle ball I have tried I have hated. Can't tell you why but I have hated everyone. I am glad that we don't see many hi load particle balls around. Although I have also been thinking the same thing as you on why we don't see many of them anymore.
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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2008, 04:42:25 PM »
Part of the problem, too, is that many high-load particles (particularly with Brunswick and Visionary of late) come with extremely dull surfaces.  The Mammoth and Goliath were 400-grit, the AMB Particle and Granite Gargoyle were 320-grit.  On even many heavier oil conditions, they'll burn up, and if you've got any hand at all, you're almost completely out of luck.

But take those babies up to a finer surface or put some polish on them and you've got something that reads the midlane well, doesn't over-react on the backend, and completely ignores carrydown.

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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2008, 05:11:05 PM »
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Particle has become a bad word in bowling ball cover stocks. The public's perception is that a particle cover tends to die faster, as well as the observation that they do not 'hook', because they are generally stronger front to back and not as reactive in the back part of the lane or back ends. Bowlers are ALWAYS looking for a reaction that is laterally or more angular. Most do not understand ball reaction, how it occurs or where it occurs.
When you see the numbers, in sales, for particle balls, they are strong at release and then die off fast.
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The weird part about that perception, to me, is that I had a Granite Gargoyle and put a lot of games on it and it never came close to dying. I have a lot of games on my Cure and it's still going strong. I bought my Yeah Baby used, then put a bunch of games on it, and it was as good when I sold it as it was when I bought it.

The only particle balls I've ever had die were from Columbia, most memorable among those the Chaos I mentioned. It went 30 games and was never heard from again.

To also respond to the poster who mentioned today's reactives being similar with the right surface prep, I haven't had that same luck. If I have a reactive that's been drilled and prepped to mimic a high-load particle equally, I find the reactive ball is still not as controllable or dependable off the break, and still can't handle as much volume.

The other thing worth mentioning here is other than the AMB Centaur -- which violates the differential rule and is about to be discontinued -- there are no assymetrical options in the high-load category unless I'm forgetting one.

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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2008, 05:39:07 PM »
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The other thing worth mentioning here is other than the AMB Centaur -- which violates the differential rule and is about to be discontinued -- there are no assymetrical options in the high-load category unless I'm forgetting one.

Jess


It's rumored that MoRich will be releasing a high load particle piece sometime this year.
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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2008, 05:48:45 PM »
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The other thing worth mentioning here is other than the AMB Centaur -- which violates the differential rule and is about to be discontinued -- there are no assymetrical options in the high-load category unless I'm forgetting one.

Jess


It's rumored that MoRich will be releasing a high load particle piece sometime this year.
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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2008, 06:04:45 PM »
You could always look into a Roto Grip Quest, good particle ball and very much a control ball.  Just throwing that choice out there for you
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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2008, 06:10:08 PM »
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You could always look into a Roto Grip Quest, good particle ball and very much a control ball.  Just throwing that choice out there for you
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Re: Why are high-load particles hard to find?
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2008, 10:29:28 PM »
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Part of the problem, too, is that many high-load particles (particularly with Brunswick and Visionary of late) come with extremely dull surfaces.  The Mammoth and Goliath were 400-grit, the AMB Particle and Granite Gargoyle were 320-grit.  On even many heavier oil conditions, they'll burn up, and if you've got any hand at all, you're almost completely out of luck.

But take those babies up to a finer surface or put some polish on them and you've got something that reads the midlane well, doesn't over-react on the backend, and completely ignores carrydown.

SH


I didn't really have a problem with my Granite burning up at box finish with the exception of one house.  But even still I have since taken it from box 320 to 1000 abrolon and its a much more versitile piece because it does have a much stronger backend reaction.  I am very happy with this piece, hope Brunswick doesn't discontinue the Mammoth anytime soon, and hope they continue making balls that fit into this category.  The first ball I ever really liked was a high load particle (Columbia Icon300).  They just make such a smooth and readable transition down the lane I can't help but want one in my bag.

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