Author Topic: Why do the big Oil balls have LOW differentials??? (Read 1505 times)

Ric Clint · « **on:** August 10, 2003, 09:24:05 AM »

Balls like the WOW, Icon 300, Super Freak, etc... only have a differential of like .040 or .043!!! And I remember the Black 2001 Hammer had a differential of like .032. That's not much more than my stinking White Dot!!!

Why?

Don't the ball companies know that the bigger the differential, the bigger the hook???

What ever happened to the big oil balls having a HUGE differential like the Complete Chaos (with .060+) and the new V2 Strong (with .063).

What is with all this LOW differential stuff on the big hook balls?

I don't get it? Am I missing something? Am I out of line and don't know what I'm talking about? Doesn't a BIGGER differential = BIGGER hook???

I think the maximal differential a ball can have is like .080. So why doesn't the companies, when they make a Heavy Oil ball, design the ball with a bigger differential of something like .070 - .075 or something?

What is the deal with all this LOW differential crap on the "so-called" big hook balls?

With them making balls that have a differential of like .010 or .020, how do they expect the dadgum balls to even hook on HEAVY OIL?

Edited on 8/11/2003 0:38 AM

98custom · « **Reply #1 on:** August 11, 2003, 07:00:27 AM »

I have a question, why on dryer lanes do you then look for a lower differential? Because the ball hooks too much, correct? Well with these stronger covers if you put a big differential in it it's going to hook off the lane on heavy oil the same that a med covered strong differential would on dry lanes. Plus, it's not about how much a ball hooks, it's about how many pins fall down.... At least that's my take on it for now, anyone else with different opinions?
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Pinbuster · « **Reply #2 on:** August 11, 2003, 07:35:57 AM »

Does bigger differential equal bigger hook?

Within limits yes, but once you have enough differential to give each track of the ball its own surface anything more is overkill. The main purpose of the differential is to produce track flare balls that have a great deal of flare potential are not very driller or user friendly. Often they can flare so much that they will flare over gripping and balance holes.

The surface and RG of the ball are the biggest factors in how early and how much an oil ball will hook. The differential helps to maximize the surface factor.

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** August 11, 2003, 07:47:07 AM »

"Doesn't a BIGGER differential = BIGGER hook???"
"Balls like the WOW, Icon 300, Super Freak, etc... only have a differential of like .040 or .043!!! "

1. An RG Differential of .040 is hardly low. It generally equates to 5-6" of flare potential.

2. Surface had a SIGNIFICANTLY greater effect on a ball's performance than the core and the drilling. While the exact proportion has been debated, the undisputed fact is that surface is at least twice as influential than drilling.

3. For TRUE heavy oil, one almost does not want a huge hook. One needs an effective hook and, for heavy oil, that implies NOT a big hook, but early and strong grab of the lane surface. That, in turn, implies a large amount of friction between the lane's surface and the ball.

Some professional ball reviews, notably Bowling This Month, has, in the past 6 months, admitted that there are some balls that have such a high degree of friction that they actually now start to grab the lane in the oil. That has never happened before, or, if it had, no one ever admitted it.

For true heavy oil and for true dry lanes, surface considerations rule.
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T-GOD · « **Reply #4 on:** August 11, 2003, 10:46:37 AM »

Ric, if you want big differential in a hook monster, then try a Lane 1 Super Carbide Bomb. The diff is .071 in a 15 lb. ball. That's about high as you can get. =:^D

Ric Clint · « **Reply #5 on:** August 11, 2003, 05:31:54 PM »

I've got a Brunswick HPH and Mass Chaos and my friend has got a Complete Chaos.

Each one of these balls have a differential of .060. And ALL THREE have a bigger backend on Heavier Oil than my other friend's Super Freak and WOW!

All of these balls are drilled similar and have a similar surface prep.

I guess, for my weak hand/weak revs (I used to have a bunch more revs, but wrist pain caused me to change my release and tone it down a little), I need all the help I can get from a ball.

And I think the bigger differential balls work better for me!

I love the WOW, but it is NOT a Heavy Oil ball for me (it maybe for others?), It's more of a Medium Oil ball for me. The WOW just doesn't have enough backend for me on Heavier Oil like the HPH and Complete Chaos! And even the Mass Chaos has a little more backend than the WOW and Super Freak FOR ME.

I figure, with my "new" lower revs, that I need to stick with balls that have a higher Differential???

Edited on 8/11/2003 5:42 PM

DON DRAPER · « **Reply #6 on:** August 11, 2003, 11:00:31 PM »

i can only speak for myself but when it comes to playing on oily lanes the first thing i look for is FRICTION. since all my balls are pretty much drilled the same the surface of the ball will dictate when the ball grabs the lane.

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** August 11, 2003, 11:48:35 PM »

Ric,

The Mass Chaos is NOT, a heavy oil ball; never was. It might handle more than medium oil, if nylon-padded to 320 or even 600 grit and left dull. If the Mass Chaos is hooking on the backend, then I would have to suspect you are not facing true heavy oil. This may be why the other heaay oil balls, like the WOW, which really is a heavy oil ball, is not hooking much. It (and the Complete Chaos, another true heavy oil ball) is probably burning itself up in the heads and the midlnae.

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Urethane Game · « **Reply #8 on:** August 11, 2003, 11:56:49 PM »

Ric, revs sometimes is not as important as roll. By that I mean, guys that don't rev the ball can still get the ball to hook and hit on oil using clean releases.

There was this guy named Earl Anthony who was a pretty good roll player.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2003, 05:16:25 AM »

Probably one of the best heavy oil balls was the AMF Evolution tour!

This ball had a differential of about .36 and was flippy for an oil ball.

I think the theory sort of is, the more particle load you put and the stronger drilling the guy puts in, combined with a real high differential the more likely one is going to get disatisfied customers.

I know when particles first came out this was my proshop friends biggest headache. Selling these things and then having people try to use them on mediums and saying they didn't hook(roll out).

THe AMF EVO Extra above I think had a pretty dense flip block. (Didn't research). Sometimes that means as much as differential in producing a reaction.

Also one should see the reaction on a AMF Evolution exta. Sharp and humungous, the driver there was a strong mass bias and lighter partical load than the Evo tour!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS the Evo tour and Monster Brimstone had similar diffs and very different reactions.

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