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Why go for Team USA?
« on: December 18, 2008, 02:23:30 PM »
Striving and training for Team USA was always a career goal of mine, until the recent changes in the past 4 years or so.  While the talent that is competing out there is a representation of the best amatuer talent in the country, the whole system is messed up from the top to the bottom.  With the addition of 5 professionals being selected from the start, Team USA Trials (No longer the National Amateur Championships) has become nothing more than a glorified week of a practice session among good bowlers where you can train all your life, bowl your heart out for the entire week, just to see the same faces (David Haynes, Bill Hoffman, Derek Eoff, Diandra Asbaty, Shannon Pluhowsky, Shannon O'Keefe) and maybe 1 or 2 others both male and female get picked regardless of their performance for the week.

Yes, we all know Team USA is one of the greatest programs there is.  Representing your country is an honor that our USA Team does with excellence year in and year out, but I can't for the life of me understand how they can even draw the smallest entries year after year much longer with the politicking and automatic berths of the members of "The USBC Clique".  Yes that clique may be the best bowlers in our country but unless you put on a stellar performance and win the thing or finished runner up, there's practically no shot whatsoever for you to make the team.  Then even if you are one of the lucky ones to have a great week and have all of your hard work pay off, chances are (and when I say chances, I mean 100% chances) you won't even get that chance to shoe up on the big stage of international competition.  

You see it time in and time out both on adult and junior team USA, great bowlers who may be "unknowns" that go on a tear good enough to make the team without the selection process, but don't get invited to certain camps or any type of competition.  In all fairness to the coaches and selection committee, the people that do repeatedly make the team year after year on a performance merit and do well in international competition definately earn their keep.  The coaches do have a vested interest in these players and have been working with their games for a long long time.  That is why I can see and understand them picking the same choices over and over, simply to develop their games even more.  Going into a competition like this, it's just so hard to see how you can go into something like this at your peak of training and as good as you may be that week, you still have no chance.  

My hat goes off to those who those who year in and year out shoe up and strive for that goal of theirs.  It really shows their dedication to the sport and how much of an honor Team USA is to them.  They are the true future of where our sport is going.  Their talent, determination, and dedication to bowling, their country, and the true essence of Team Bowling is something that should be stood up and cheered for.  It's just sad that not everyone can get the same chances as someone else based merely on name sake and not talent at the actual "Team USA Trials."  

I wonder how long it may be before these things are done with and there is just an annual conference to pick the team based on national level merit achievement wise?  I know it would save some dreams from getting crushed and bowling your heart out to finish 4th, just one spot off of the top 3 picks, just to have someone that week who finished in 27th or 33rd to get selected because they are who they are.
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2008, 08:56:30 AM »
Right on frankie, right on....this makes to much sense for the mental giants to reply to...
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 09:04:35 AM »
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Another great post that goes ignored by the legions of mental giants on BallReviews...


What did you, along with idkmybff4u2c and strikealot, add to the topic?
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 09:04:47 AM »
It's not being ignored...there's just nothing to discuss.  He's spot on.  I have a couple friends that have gone over the years and I don't understand why they put out the expense, because although they are good, they don't have the name/reputation to make the team.  I think a lot of people go just for the experience.  Almost like bowling a pro-am.  You get to bowl along some of the best in the country and you at least get to meet some great coaches, so if you have talent, maybe the coaches will take notice and help you out (not during trials)
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2008, 09:09:35 AM »
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What did you, along with idkmybff4u2c and strikealot, add to the topic?


The same amount you did, or so it would appear...


Don't deflect. You called out everyone on br.com out for not responding yet you contributed nothing.
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2008, 09:16:01 AM »
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MAJM,
Isn't there another topic you need to post in the Misc non-bowling related forum?  I never see you contributing anything insightful.


And you have? You jumped on Frankie's bandwagon to complain about the lack of response's by the br.com community, yet, here you are, for a second post, completely off topic. You and Frankie impress me. Go attack Bones again.
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2008, 09:18:35 AM »
I agree that an unknown has little chance to make the team and almost no chance to represent the county.  It is almost all a selection for the team.  All the pros are selected as well as 2 others from the Team Trials.  There are only 3 make it from performance at the Trials.

Maybe they should make the pros bowl the trials and the top 7 make the team and the 3 are selected from the others that bowled the Trials.  This way, the selection group would be limited on who they can select.  First they would be force to select the pros that don't make it to the top 7. Then, if there are any spots left, they could look at others that deserve to be on the team that did not make the top 7.

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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2008, 09:19:41 AM »
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It impresses me even more that you keep replying to us.  If you don't like it, find another forum.


I find it amusing that you don't even take your advice and respond to DP3. Go complain about Bones again.
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 09:20:52 AM »
idkmybff4u2c and Frankie Abralon both have huge chips on their shoulders, we already knew this much, no surprise...

They've let pros bowl on Team USA now in hopes of making a push for bowling to be an Olympic sport.  At this point, Team USA is a bit of a marketing tool really, so they want big name, marketable bowlers representing the country.  Talent can only get you so far in any aspect of life, and this is just another example.

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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2008, 09:28:22 AM »
DJ you already have answered the Why's and If's my friend, The coaches have pet projects that have upwards of 7-8 years into them. So they figure why take a 21 year old newbie when they have a 29 year old proven bowler like Haynes, David is simply awesome to bowl with and against.  

But you are correct breaking into the click is not going to easy, the pro's are given spots which is BS!! They should have to bowl the same tournament going on right here in Vegas today being the last day.

I know Palumbo from league and have seen a few other's around here bowling most are great, some are just good but getting on the team is almost impossible. Palumbo is probably too far down to get picked and he would be the 1st to tell you that, as good as he is there is alot of talent against him bowling better.

The famous names are all great bowlers but they are also Squeaky clean images and the poster guys and gals of bowling. The fake image the USBC wants to portray to the whole world honestly, most are more quiet and just go out bowl hiding as amateurs when they are generic Pro's.

Notice which Pro's are chosen also more the squeaky clean image guys, the women same thing squeaky clean image.

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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2008, 09:28:34 AM »
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They've let pros bowl on Team USA now in hopes of making a push for bowling to be an Olympic sport.  At this point, Team USA is a bit of a marketing tool really, so they want big name, marketable bowlers representing the country.  Talent can only get you so far in any aspect of life, and this is just another example.


I agree they should let pros bowl to get it as an olympic sport.  However i don't agree that they should have trials if they already know who they want to pick.  Hoffman and Haynes can finish last and they would still be picked. Then What's the point of trials?
I'm not saying I don't agree with you in theory, but I suppose they've got to at least make an effort to make themselves look like it's a fair competition.  (But hey, nobody ever said life is fair!)

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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2008, 12:14:51 PM »
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I'm not saying I don't agree with you in theory, but I suppose they've got to at least make an effort to make themselves look like it's a fair competition.  (But hey, nobody ever said life is fair!)


It's never a "fair" competition when more people are selected to bowl on the team than actually earn a spot.  Some could argue that the PBA guys have earned their way onto the team for their abilities demonstrated out on tour.  If the team has 10 spots and only 3 are given out at the Trials, it would be hard for the unknown amatuer to justify the trip.  In that case why have the trials anyway?  

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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2008, 03:24:57 PM »
DP I greatly value your knowledge and opinion that is constantly added to this website.  Your posts are almost always right on point and you do your research to know that what you are posting is the truth and is fully backed up by facts.  So although i do not have anything to add to this flawless post, I just wanted to let you know that I am going to sit back, read back through, and take in the essence of what is a GREAT post.

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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2008, 04:20:29 PM »
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DP I greatly value your knowledge and opinion that is constantly added to this website.  Your posts are almost always right on point and you do your research to know that what you are posting is the truth and is fully backed up by facts.  So although i do not have anything to add to this flawless post, I just wanted to let you know that I am going to sit back, read back through, and take in the essence of what is a GREAT post.


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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2008, 10:28:35 PM »
I more than see where you're coming from and you have excellent points, both for and against the current selection process.

In defense of the "name" selections, what if that completely went away?  Say, every member of the team comes from a single tournament.  You make the top 10, you're in.  You don't, you're out.  That would be fair, right?

To me, not really.  While they may bowl many, many games as part of that tournament, the leaderboard is still subject to lesser bowlers going on tears that are catching some good breaks while the better bowlers get lousy breaks.  You mentioned specifically Bill Hoffman missing the cut.  He's more than earned his keep, as you say.  But he's sick that week, or just changed ball companies the month before, or X, Y, or Z.  Comes in 11th behind a guy who, while very good, simply doesn't have the experience of bowling on the world stage.  

Who would be a better choice to represent our country?

The PBA Player of the Year doesn't get that title based on one or two tournaments, does he?  No, it's a year-long process and it's entirely possible for the PoY to not win any tournaments.  I think Marshall Holman did it quite a few years ago and with the current point system, you can end up pretty high in the PoY race never winning a single title.  Brad Angelo was number 1 in the regular points list a few years ago and didn't win nothin' while several other great bowlers won multiple titles.

I agree that the selection process hardly seems fair and unbiased.  It's got a real political stink around it.  But going on performance at Team USA trials won't necessarily net you the best possible team.  (Yes, I know you didn't make that argument.)

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