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DP3

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Why go for Team USA?
« on: December 18, 2008, 02:23:30 PM »
Striving and training for Team USA was always a career goal of mine, until the recent changes in the past 4 years or so.  While the talent that is competing out there is a representation of the best amatuer talent in the country, the whole system is messed up from the top to the bottom.  With the addition of 5 professionals being selected from the start, Team USA Trials (No longer the National Amateur Championships) has become nothing more than a glorified week of a practice session among good bowlers where you can train all your life, bowl your heart out for the entire week, just to see the same faces (David Haynes, Bill Hoffman, Derek Eoff, Diandra Asbaty, Shannon Pluhowsky, Shannon O'Keefe) and maybe 1 or 2 others both male and female get picked regardless of their performance for the week.

Yes, we all know Team USA is one of the greatest programs there is.  Representing your country is an honor that our USA Team does with excellence year in and year out, but I can't for the life of me understand how they can even draw the smallest entries year after year much longer with the politicking and automatic berths of the members of "The USBC Clique".  Yes that clique may be the best bowlers in our country but unless you put on a stellar performance and win the thing or finished runner up, there's practically no shot whatsoever for you to make the team.  Then even if you are one of the lucky ones to have a great week and have all of your hard work pay off, chances are (and when I say chances, I mean 100% chances) you won't even get that chance to shoe up on the big stage of international competition.  

You see it time in and time out both on adult and junior team USA, great bowlers who may be "unknowns" that go on a tear good enough to make the team without the selection process, but don't get invited to certain camps or any type of competition.  In all fairness to the coaches and selection committee, the people that do repeatedly make the team year after year on a performance merit and do well in international competition definately earn their keep.  The coaches do have a vested interest in these players and have been working with their games for a long long time.  That is why I can see and understand them picking the same choices over and over, simply to develop their games even more.  Going into a competition like this, it's just so hard to see how you can go into something like this at your peak of training and as good as you may be that week, you still have no chance.  

My hat goes off to those who those who year in and year out shoe up and strive for that goal of theirs.  It really shows their dedication to the sport and how much of an honor Team USA is to them.  They are the true future of where our sport is going.  Their talent, determination, and dedication to bowling, their country, and the true essence of Team Bowling is something that should be stood up and cheered for.  It's just sad that not everyone can get the same chances as someone else based merely on name sake and not talent at the actual "Team USA Trials."  

I wonder how long it may be before these things are done with and there is just an annual conference to pick the team based on national level merit achievement wise?  I know it would save some dreams from getting crushed and bowling your heart out to finish 4th, just one spot off of the top 3 picks, just to have someone that week who finished in 27th or 33rd to get selected because they are who they are.
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2008, 07:20:53 AM »
The USA is so vast that I see the point of letting one tournament have a major influence on which bowlers to pick. On the other hand, this is probably not the best way to pick the best team.

I think the national federations here in northern Europe select national team members based on a number of criteria. Here are a few:

Competitive track record over the last year or so.
Versatility and maturity of the bowler.
Team 'mindedness' of the bowler.
International experience.



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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2008, 08:14:28 AM »
the whole national program is becoming a joke, especially the junior team
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2008, 11:07:18 AM »
"The USBC Clique"
I love it, someone finally said what everyone else knows.
This clique is taking the fun out of bowling and making it all competition.
None of "them" are good enough to make it on the PBA tour or now defunk PWBA, so the USBC gives them jobs and puts them on Team USA or whatever other team they make up.
I still wonder where all our membership money goes don't you?
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2008, 11:10:57 AM »
Some who thinks like me BRAVO BRAVO!!!  

They are generic poster/gals who are given jobs for that fake squeaky clean image's.  I do not think that way about the women so much but the men i totally agree with, The PWBA just never will pull in any type ratings and is a dead horse.



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"The USBC Clique"
I love it, someone finally said what everyone else knows.
This clique is taking the fun out of bowling and making it all competition.
None of "them" are good enough to make it on the PBA tour or now defunk PWBA, so the USBC gives them jobs and puts them on Team USA or whatever other team they make up.
I still wonder where all our membership money goes don't you?
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2008, 11:21:46 AM »
quote:
"The USBC Clique"
I love it, someone finally said what everyone else knows.
This clique is taking the fun out of bowling and making it all competition.
None of "them" are good enough to make it on the PBA tour or now defunk PWBA, so the USBC gives them jobs and puts them on Team USA or whatever other team they make up.
I still wonder where all our membership money goes don't you?
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I just have one real disagreement with your point.  There have been a decent amount of people from Team USA make it to the PBA, Chris Barnes, Rhino Page, Sean Rash.  I know there's others that I just can't think of right now.  Some of those guys actually choose Team USA over competing on the Tour, not that they can't make it, but just choose not to try.

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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2008, 03:14:45 PM »
Hardesty are you talking about Ken Yokobosky? If so why do you say that? Just wondering.
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2008, 06:05:31 AM »
I might suggest using a point system similar to Tennis, where professionals and ametures have separate point systems carried for the past 24 months. Then take the top 5 from both systems and 2 coaches picks. There is no subjectivity. You must bowl good over a long enough period of time to be ranked in the top 5. If you are so ranked and you dont choose to enter the spot goes to the next inline. The point system could indeed require entering the  qualifying tournaments.  

This could also have some bonus benifits of having a national ameture ranking system that could bring additional promotional marketing to the sport of bowling as well as more prestige to bowlers.
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2008, 01:52:03 PM »
dp3, hardesty, pin-chaser all great points! I would love to see an amateur point system.

One situation may be this. Some parts of the country have a lot more bowling action than others. Here in the southeast, there are lots of towns and smaller cities that don't even have a bowling center!

I won't name the town, but there is one near my area that has 50,000+ people and no bowling center!

It seems the whole issue for team USA could involve the high school and college bowling programs as well, but in my case I have to drive 45-60 minutes depending on traffic just to get to a bowling center.

That shows, at least in my area that bowling has to grow to generate interest beyond the recreational level.

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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2008, 07:33:11 AM »
I tend to agree that there is not much incentive to attend the trials with the majority of the team already "pre-picked" before a shot has even been thrown.

It would be nice if there were some kind of state or regional qualifying system to "feed" the trials. They did have the state finals but in Ohio that was so under advertised I don't think the centers even knew about them until the bowlers started walking in the first morning.

On the bowler side of things, the hard core tournament bowlers do not see the big picture on the trials or even qualifiers. They measure success on how much they leave the center with that day and not on what they might gain down the road.

DP I can hear your pain. I bowl league with Mark Siders who made the team in 2007. Mark got to attend the training session at Olympic Village in Colorado and maybe one other team practice. Do you know how much competition Mark seen with Team USA: none, he did not even travel with the team. Do you know what that cost him in tournaments that he was locked out of for now being a member of a national team? He was out of the megabucks except for the Mini-Eliminator due to the new rules prohibiting national team members in the High Roller and TAC. He got locked out of bowling the regular Hoinke and several other amatuer events that had any restrictions. Should he have known before he shoed up, of course. But to be picked after going there for several trials and finishing top ten twice and being snubbed, was a huge accomplishment for him. Now he is contemplating giving up traveling and just bowling mostly local events since he does not like the whining and negativity of the PBA.
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Re: Why go for Team USA?
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2008, 09:34:37 PM »
Its the same thing with Fero Williams he made them look stupid easy on every pattern. They automatically selected him for the 2 year team and yet he never bowled for them.

A point system would be great use the top tourney of the year. megabuck tourneys,the new years day marathon in Jersey, PBA tourneys that are open to amateurs like the majors(double points) and the Dick Weber and the others.

If we go with the whole if they want to be on the team then bowl approach and do one tourney and have the tour guys bowl too. Do you really want to have to compete against the exempt field for your spot? No. Then you might as well make it a Pba tourney because you will get maybe 15 amateur entries.
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