Post by: mainzer on July 12, 2009, 08:28:13 AM
To wanna bowl and win and in bowling? I am wonderiing why guys that wanna be serious about bowling are treated like crap. I got called a retard by a waitress cause I was irritated that I missed a cut by a point. She also went to scream at my friends and I cause because oh my god we want to win and we are stupid cause we wanna win. And we are not supposd to wanna win we are supposed to just wanna bowl.
I don't know about you but the 'I just wanna bowl attitude' went out when I started taking the Sport seriously when I was in High School. I have fought to be better and win in this all my life and I am put down for it by those that don't understand it, that tell me it is just stupid and why do you bother to try? I try cause I wanna be the best sorry that is how I am.
I have also sat and watched as guys have been jeered out of leagues cause they wanna win. I have watched as the better bowlers quit because no one will talk to them because they are good. I have heard people call a guy a prick because he doesnt talk to many people just goes and bowls and wins.
Why is it that the better bolwers are expected never to put down a bowler that averages 150 when the 150 average is free to rip the snot out of anyone averaging over 220? Why is it that better bowlers get craped on by the ones that are not as good? Is it really that hard to understand people that have the will desire and efort to win not just bowl for the sake of bowling?
RANT OFF
Not trying to sound elitist here. I have wanted to be a great bowler as long as I can remeber now myself and others that I am friends with are cut down and made fun of casue we wanna win not just bowl. I understand not everyone has that attitude or commitment to it, but why don't they respect those who do?
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Post by: Atochabsh on July 12, 2009, 05:57:15 PM
Most people that are bowling, do not understand the desire to be an accomplished bowler. It all comes back to that sport vs recreation thing. Some of us treat it as sport and competition and other just as recreation and socialization opportunity. Most I think are kind of in between that. Leagues have almost solely become a mish mash of bowlers with skills from beginner to semi pro is because the managers and proprietor wants a full center no matter the mix.
Erin
Post by: Atochabsh on July 12, 2009, 07:08:41 PM
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Ridiculous! Bowlers looking to get in leagues look at the rules and the entering average requirements and know if it is a league for them.
I say "Ridiculous" back. Not true in our association. Of the 200+ leauges, about 15 are scratch leagues. Which means that all the others are a mish mash of bowlers with various skill levels. Some are Seniors only some are Ladies only and a couple are Men only. Most are mixed handicap. But very rarely in a handicapped league do you see an average requirement (in fact I have never seen an average requirement to join) or team cap. Most bowlers, especially beginning bowlers look at what day is available and what time slot and join the league. I have NEVER seen a center provide rules to prospective bowlers for anticipated leagues. SO NO bowler has the set of rules prior to showing up at the league meeting unless they were previous league members of that league. A sorry fact is that many leagues do not have rules ready to hand out and vote on changes at the league meeting. They might have one copy, but not enough for every bowler (as they should). And what percentage would you guess of the bowlers in the leagues you have participated in, have attended the beginning season league meeting? Don't tell me 100%. Don't even tell me 75%, or 60%.
Erin
Post by: kidlost2000 on July 12, 2009, 07:13:18 PM
That goes for anyone, or any average. I know some donkeys that average decent that are out right c$%k-s$%#ers when they don't bowl good or great or someone doesn't give them two lanes courtesy or any other reason they come up with for why they didn't strike, spare, or part the red sea.
If your good or great you shouldn't focus on anything but your lanes and your shot only. If that is a problem practice next to non-bowlers and learn how to. It will make you better.(think Tiger Woods)
I bowl with a guy, that I currently work with, who bowls one day a week and averages 220+ for as long as I've known him and doesn't act anything like other less average primadonnas that bowl twice as much. He shows up to bowl and wants to win and also has a good time. He has sportsmanship, even if he bowls bad.
I've bowled my best season this year because I tried to take things a little less serious and not get as mad when I don't throw the ball as good I think I should and ect ect and it paid off. You can be competitive but you don't have to be a D@#%.
Ask your self this, what would Earl Anthony or Walter Ray do? It's that simple.
Great post, not saying this is anyone on here, just giving examples of what I've experienced.
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Post by: JessN16 on July 12, 2009, 10:07:27 PM
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Ridiculous! Bowlers looking to get in leagues look at the rules and the entering average requirements and know if it is a league for them.
I say "Ridiculous" back. Not true in our association. Of the 200+ leauges, about 15 are scratch leagues. Which means that all the others are a mish mash of bowlers with various skill levels. Some are Seniors only some are Ladies only and a couple are Men only. Most are mixed handicap. But very rarely in a handicapped league do you see an average requirement (in fact I have never seen an average requirement to join) or team cap. Most bowlers, especially beginning bowlers look at what day is available and what time slot and join the league. I have NEVER seen a center provide rules to prospective bowlers for anticipated leagues. SO NO bowler has the set of rules prior to showing up at the league meeting unless they were previous league members of that league. A sorry fact is that many leagues do not have rules ready to hand out and vote on changes at the league meeting. They might have one copy, but not enough for every bowler (as they should). And what percentage would you guess of the bowlers in the leagues you have participated in, have attended the beginning season league meeting? Don't tell me 100%. Don't even tell me 75%, or 60%.
Erin
Erin is right, and it also has applied in my situation for the last five years.
After I got married and took my last job, I had one night a week to bowl league and wanted to bowl with my wife. That locked me into Tuesday nights at my center, and put me in a 24-team mixed handicap league where I was one of the top 5-8 averages.
Fast forward to this summer, and my wife takes it off so I switch to a draft scratch league. I went from being one of the top five bowlers in the house to either the highest average leadoff or lowest average middle bowler (the lineup automatically rotates due to average that week). So I went from being top 5 to bottom 13.
Convenience and circumstances determine my league choices, not anything else. Hopefully I will have time to add a second league this fall and will be able to continue to bowl a late-shift scratch league. But if I'm not, I'll be back to the Tuesday night handicap league with my wife.
Jess
Post by: mainzer on July 12, 2009, 10:11:41 PM
I just think it is unfair to the people that are serious that put in the time to become better then are treated like junk.
Harry No disrespect taken at all I put up my thoughts and you responded with a very good point, it goes both ways you are very correct.
Thx for no one taking my head off needed to get that out
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Post by: kidlost2000 on July 12, 2009, 10:30:52 PM
Just win and enjoy it.
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Post by: Juggernaut on July 12, 2009, 10:40:55 PM
Looks like it's just you and me. People around here have lost any respect they once might've had for the accomplished bowler who wants to win and is disappointed openly about it when he doesn't.
I've had people come up to me and tell me to "chill out, it's only bowling", and to a point they are right. Even though I am not "ranting", they can tell I'm aggravated by losing, and can't seem to unbderstand why. Thing is, the people telling me this are 150 average bowlers who bowl one night a week, and have no clue what it takes to actually BE good. I have to remember that, to THEM, it IS "only bowling", even if its not to me.
Be serious about your bowling. Be as good as you can, and win at every opportunity you can, then, if they don't "get it", that's their problem, not yours.
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Post by: mainzer on July 13, 2009, 07:07:28 AM
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Post by: J_w73 on July 13, 2009, 10:54:31 AM
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Leagues have almost solely become a mish mash of bowlers with skills from beginner to semi pro is because the managers and proprietor wants a full center no matter the mix
Ridiculous! Bowlers looking to get in leagues look at the rules and the entering average requirements and know if it is a league for them.
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are you kidding.. most casual league bowlers now adays don't even know there are rules. And if you try to point out the rules you are looked at like Mainzer has described.
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 13, 2009, 11:10:40 AM
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Post by: Bigmike on July 13, 2009, 11:19:06 AM
I looked at as it was a chance to bowl on something hard. It was very easy to miss a couple of spares or start slow and get beat because of it being hard. I also looked at it as a chance to make some contacts for our store and coaching group. Plus I have some casual friends from the center in the league and that made it fun for me. The best was helping a couple of the kids who were watching there parents bowl on the lanes after the league was over with. I have firneds for life with those kids.
What was cool was I tried the TQR here in town and some of the league members were back there wishing me good luck and giving me high fives for the few times I did well. I didn't feel so alone out there that day because of that.
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With all due respect to you Mainzer, but the PBA member in my summer Kegel Sport Scratch League treats everyone like crap and the whole league hates him.
He has bowled a few Regional's and is bowling the WSOB but he treats everyone like garbage. He has won some money, but he will never earn an exemption at 38-39 years of age. When he bowls local scratch tournaments, he acts like its the US Open.
A few weeks ago a man in his 60's bowled his first ever 300 game in a Sunday afternoon mixed league. This PBA member happened to be in the league and he WAS THE ONLY ONE who did not say anything to this man. Not one word of congratulations. When he bowled one the next week he was surprised when no one said a word to him.
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Post by: trash heap on July 13, 2009, 11:19:12 AM
It was last week of bowling in our league. The other team had a sub (A very good bowler)...everytime he struck, a lady on his team would pump her fist in a competitive manner and yell "YES!". Don't get me wrong, I see no problem in this whats so ever, but she also someone who usually states she is there, she is there to have fun (Well I guess she has more fun when her team is winning).
Post by: renaissanceman517kak on July 13, 2009, 11:39:09 AM
Post by: JoshY on July 13, 2009, 11:40:38 AM
The waitress just saw that you were irritated then called you a retard and proceeded to yell at you and your friends for how serious you take bowling?
If that is how it happened I would be shocked.
Are you sure you weren't irritated and inadvertantly took it out on the waitress?
Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 13, 2009, 12:01:36 PM
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I think there is a little more to the story.
The waitress just saw that you were irritated then called you a retard and proceeded to yell at you and your friends for how serious you take bowling?
If that is how it happened I would be shocked.
Are you sure you weren't irritated and inadvertantly took it out on the waitress?
Naw, man, she's just psycho. Been donkey-punched one too many times!
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Post by: janderson on July 13, 2009, 02:41:27 PM
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Post by: renaissanceman517kak on July 13, 2009, 03:27:29 PM
Post by: Steven on July 13, 2009, 03:35:56 PM
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I have bowled in MANY leagues over the years, and have never witnessed what you claim...maybe it's the caliber of league you bowl in, but in the leagues I've been I just have not seen this...
+1 to Ren.
mainzer: I don't doubt your story, but it says something about the bowling atmospheres you bowl in. You're not going to change those around you, but if you truly don't have a choice of a sane and competitive bowling environment (they do exist), then you'll have to suck it up and go with the flow.
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Post by: SVstar34 on July 13, 2009, 03:37:15 PM
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Post by: SVstar34 on July 13, 2009, 04:20:28 PM
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(most of) Human decency seems to be gone in this country.
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Post by: Atochabsh on July 13, 2009, 07:09:29 PM
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When it was over the BIG TIME bowlers were all talkative, so I asked one guy whats up with this and he said "we were bowling for money it wasn't social hour". What a jerk.
Sounds like you took it personally when they probably were treating everyone the same. Focusing and not chatting everyone up. And then when it was all over then they socialized. Sorry but that's how scratch/serious tournaments are like. Doesn't make them jerks. Makes them serious about their tournament play.
This is like watching the PBA tour stops. You don't see these guys socializing with each other during competition. But put them in an environment of a more social competition or pro am, and you see that they let down the seriousness and have more fun. King of Bowling was a good example. There was joking around and banter that you don't normally see during the tour stops. They were still playing for money, but not their livelyhood of exemption for the next year.
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Post by: trash heap on July 14, 2009, 12:47:34 PM
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The waitress in question was out of line. She is working an area where a tourney is going on and making money off the bowlers. She BETTER be sympathetic or she ain't getting a tip from me.
He has a point. If she had any business sense...she should of stayed quiet.
Post by: tc300 on July 16, 2009, 04:46:25 PM