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Nicanor

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Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« on: November 23, 2008, 01:21:42 AM »
Then companies like Storm, Brunswick, Hammer, Ebonite, 900 Global and Lane 1?  I think as many of us do that the Cell will be the ball of the year.  I didn't match up with the Cell but so many have.  The Cell pearl is only $119 and the sauce is $143 and the Virtual Gravity is $134 and the Agent Orange is $178.



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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2008, 09:28:29 AM »
Was thinking the same thing, its exactly the reason why I picked a Cell Pearl over a Twisted Fury Solid and the Striking Motion, for such a ball to be less than anything else is awesome.
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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2008, 09:34:51 AM »
It's just the price point they've chosen for marketing reasons.  Hank Boomershine actually mentioned this in the Cell seminar that's available on Youtube.  They wanted to offer higher performance at a lower cost so that you have incentive to buy a Cell over a higher-priced Black Widow if that's what it comes down to.
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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2008, 12:48:05 PM »
Because PRODUCTION costs for a high end ball shouldn't be that much more than a simple plastic ball, I wouldn't think. Wages for employees would be the same, utilities incurred should be the same, materials are higher ( cores, higher grade formulations ), but that should be about it, don't you think?  Where a lot of expense is incurred, I think, is in the R&D and promotions of said ball.

  With Roto deciding to eat some of the R&D costs and bring the original cell out at a lower price point, and the cell being out in the limelight by being on TV so much without having to run ads, there promotions money was saved also.

  With most of the R&D already done on the solid covered version, all that was left was to decide which pearl cover to put on the pearl version.  And since so many people who already had the solid version and loved it were waiting on the pearl version to come out, again, not much promotion money needed.

  If they were profiting on the Cell solid at the price point it came in at, they will surely profit on the pearl version at $119 as well.
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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2008, 12:54:06 PM »
I can't remember exactly but I am sure the Roto guys can.  Wasn't the Cell brought out as mid line price ball and the Epic Odyssey and SD-73 were at a higher price point?
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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2008, 01:01:30 PM »
Mr. Boomershine talks about that in the Cell seminar videos, I believe. Something about not wanting people to miss out on the ball (making it affordable) and not wanting to overlap price wise with Storm's Premier/Master equipment. That's what I remember, anyway.

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CELL SEMINAR VIDEO PT. 4

It's talked about during the final third of the video.

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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2008, 01:13:11 PM »
its definitly not an inferior product. they have been making some of the best products for year whether it was bags shirts or balls.
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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2008, 01:30:14 PM »
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its definitly not an inferior product. they have been making some of the best products for year whether it was bags shirts or balls.


But human beings being how, what we are, many will think the Cell is too cheap to be a good ball. Many think you get what you pay for.

Their loss.
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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2008, 01:40:17 PM »
well cost on the cells is actually below 119 for them.. u can get the drilled in my area some places for 150 i'm not sure about the vg i'll check tomorrow
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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2008, 02:08:53 PM »
i got the sauce for 199 out the door with drilling, with lifts and thumb slug, the pro shops roto grip stuff was priced the same.
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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2008, 02:09:31 PM »
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Computer Aided Drafting and various software makes R&D a lot easier. They plot in the numbers they want and the computer gives them the shape and core matching the numbers. I watched this on a 900 Global video. There was not any "research and design" Bullshoot! It is not as complicated as they make it look, especially since they switch cores and covers constantly.

Maybe Roto Grip simply has some morals. Have you noticed since the numbers of league bowlers has plummeted, the price of balls went up?

How do you know when a bowling ball companies rep is lying? Their lips are moving.

Its all crap and we know it. If it is reactive and has a decent core, its all you need. There is nothing new. The ball companies continually feed garbage because some fools buy into all of it. If your not a PBA Regional or National professional, you probably don't need it.

I'll only buy Roto Grip because they are the only company with the moral decency, especially in this economy not to over charge.[/quote
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Nicanor

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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2008, 02:22:45 PM »
Buddies Pro Shop Cell pearl for $119.  If I have it drilled locally its additional $30 plus inserts, like most pro shops.  though Buddies is in part an online supplier, they are also an oustanding Pro shop.


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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2008, 07:47:34 PM »
my local pro-shop, varies his Price to drill a bowling ball, if its bought somewhere else, by if it's a low-mid-high performance ball.  So unless you come into a really good deal online, your going to probably pay the same amount of $ to buy the ball online and then bring it to him as you would having him order the ball and drilling it.

As for morals and pricing going hand in hand, idk....  

I still say the best bowling ball deals, were the old Storm Hotrods, Barbwires, Toohots, and stuff, I got both my HotRod's for 130$ a piece drilled and same with the barbwire, and all of them were awesome mid to light oil balls that you encounter in a THS.
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Nicanor

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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2008, 07:51:16 PM »
Sounds like you might like the Stret Rods David.


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Re: Why is Roto Grip so much less expensive
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2008, 02:50:08 PM »
The Sonics were a good line of equipment as are the planet series equipment now. Roto-Grip's "entry level" equipment is arguably the best price-performance "deal" at that level today and has been for 5-6 years (at least).  They're also one of the few companies that offers a line of equipment at that level instead of a single ball or two balls, one solid, one pearl.

I doubt Roto-Grip has any "moral" basis behind their pricing strategies. I'm more inclined to believe that the company's owners are in it to make money and believe they can best do so with their current strategies. Otherwise, they would adapt a different strategy.

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