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Two Hander Spare
« on: October 17, 2016, 10:56:32 AM »
Now I am getting fustrated which is hard for me to do. I am A two hander and I can NOT pick up my spare especially that 10 pin. I looked all on the internet and all the systems I see is for the one hander. I practice and practice moving all over the place. I had a guy tell me to stand on  my strike area and hit all your spares from there. Tried it and the 10 pin just laugh at me.I am using a plastic ball. I know some of you two handers are killing it so I need your advice. Before someone say go get some coaching. The silver coach in my area told me he really dont know much about two handers so he wont take my money.
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Re: Two Hander Spare
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2016, 11:05:05 AM »
Now I am getting fustrated which is hard for me to do. I am A two hander and I can NOT pick up my spare especially that 10 pin. I looked all on the internet and all the systems I see is for the one hander. I practice and practice moving all over the place. I had a guy tell me to stand on  my strike area and hit all your spares from there. Tried it and the 10 pin just laugh at me.I am using a plastic ball. I know some of you two handers are killing it so I need your advice. Before someone say go get some coaching. The silver coach in my area told me he really dont know much about two handers so he wont take my money.

My suggestion (because I do it myself) is use the traditional one handed delivery on the 10 pins.  I have been a two hander since 1992 and only tried using two hander method at 10 pins only a few times.  For me I get the ball on a better path to the 10 pin easier.  Also; I have small hands.  So when I try to two hand plastic balls; the ball wants to slide out of my hand before I get to the release point.  Same thing with urethane balls.  Since the covers dont have that tacky feel to them; I struggle with being able to grip them throughout the entire approach. 

I know when Belmonte leaves a 10 pin; he uses plastic and moves over to the opposite gutter and goes completely across the lane.  I believe he targets the center arrow (20 board).  He stands at the left gutter and rolls across the middle arrow using the oil to get the ball to slide far enough so it doesnt hook before it gets to the 10 pin.
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Re: Two Hander Spare
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2016, 12:02:48 PM »
The thing to remember for higher rev bowlers is the roll required to be consistent for spares may not be the same as your first ball.  High rotation releases will make 10-pins hard to pick up even with plastic.  I know the justification for using plastic is the bowler can use his normal delivery and still make the 10-pin.  But in reality, you will still have to reduce your rotation to prevent the dramatic change of direction on the back end.

And it doesn't have to be Walter Ray straight.  Once you have developed a low rotation release for 10-pins, then you can apply the same release to other spare combinations.  A common one for me is the 3-6-10.  Too many people use high rotation releases and throw the ball out to the ditch and have it come back between the 3-6 to make the spare.  Though this can be successful plenty of times, the better way to approach the spare is to have a lower rotation release that is traveling straight down the lane instead of going right-to-left.  This will provide better consistency on making the spare.

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Re: Two Hander Spare
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2016, 02:56:39 PM »
Throw a slight backup ball with the spare ball for a month and it will be easy to throw it without any rotation after that. Worked like a charm for me and now I am able to throw it cross lane to the left as well without it ever moving

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Re: Two Hander Spare
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2016, 03:13:19 PM »
One thing you have to remember about guys like Belmo and Svennson is that they're bowling on Tour conditions. Obviously, some of those patterns are short and/or light on oil, but most of them give them a decent amount in the middle to push through. That's probably far different than what you're getting on league night.

The key is to change your rotation. My guess is that you are still coming around the side of the ball when trying to pick up the 10 pin. When you come around the side, any ball is capable of changing direction. What you want to do is practice coming up the back of the ball and making it roll more end over end toward the 10-pin. If you're not used to doing that, it's going to take time to get comfortable just like everything else, but once you get used to it, you'll find yourself far more successful.

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Re: Two Hander Spare
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2016, 04:29:17 PM »
I've seen and bowled against really good two handed bowlers, one even last week. If they are on and on a streak, they are hard to beat. But when they leave a corner pin, it's a 50/50 chance they'll pick it up.

Sucks for him when he has the front 5 and misses a 7 pin on the next frame. then double up and leave a 7 pin again on the 9th frame, only to miss again.
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Re: Two Hander Spare
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2016, 05:23:14 PM »
adding an extra 2 or 3 mph like OSKU really helps to make the 7 , 10 pin better
Will expand arsenal after I polish my spares.

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Re: Two Hander Spare
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2016, 08:19:23 AM »
adding an extra 2 or 3 mph like OSKU really helps to make the 7 , 10 pin better

Speed means very little. I can throw a ball 20+ mph if I'm so inclined, but that doesn't mean it's going where I want it to go. Now, if you can throw it that fast accurately, fine. Still, look at Norm Duke. He is a brilliant spare shooter, yet he throws the ball slowly AND doesn't even change to a plastic ball. He makes his spares because he's very accurate, and he gets the ball rolling end over end so that it doesn't read and hook. It's about roll, not speed.