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carlitopeters

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Why the 8 pin?...
« on: June 26, 2008, 12:09:20 AM »
Yesterday I left the 8 pin three times. If it's a 7 or 10 I understand, it feels bad but I understand that I will leave those pins and why. But the 8 and 3 times? Second game I left it after a double and then I proceeded to miss it = 191. Then for the 3rd game I go strike - 8 pin - double - 8 pin. An easy 230 game was 185 instead. The lanes were drier than usual but I felt I made a good adjustment, the 3rd game I think I missed the pocket only once. Well, 8 pin happens. This on the same pair I have my best series (720) and with the same ball I put that number (RedZone - pin just above and to the right of ring finger, CG stacked, PSA at the edge of thumb hole, flare increasing X-hole).

 

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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 08:25:08 AM »
Bad luck.
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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 08:25:47 AM »
I think it has something to do with the way the 5 pin travels.  I once heard that the 5 5 goes straight back and misses the 8.  I could be wrong though.

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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 08:26:09 AM »
Sometimes you carry, sometimes you dont! What really happens is that the ball flies right past the 8 pin without hitting it and the 5-pin is deflected away from the 8-pin and unfortunately nothing flies off the wall to knock it over!
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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2008, 08:32:39 AM »
One once in a great while is pretty much bad luck as described above.

When I leave 3 or more on a lane I generally feel there is something wrong with the rack. The 8 is slightly left or the 5 is slightly right giving a little more room for the ball to chop the 5 off the 8.

The bigger cardinal sin is missing an 8. One of the easiest spares on the lane.

Edited on 6/26/2008 8:36 AM

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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2008, 08:45:21 AM »
The 8-pin leave for a right hander is caused when the head pin deflects off the 2-pin and takes the 5-pin straight back or towards the 9-pin - before the ball can ever contact the 5-pin. The ball continues straight through the pin deck without contacting the 8-pin or driving the 5-pin into it.
This site has great videos showing the leave in slow motion:
http://www.teamstatpro.com/solid8pin.htm
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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2008, 08:45:22 AM »
you are not alone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EnZjv0tq48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9TTU6w5580

and here is a nice slomo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APaxT5KMwhc

the 5 pin simply is missing before the ball gets there so you get no deflection towards the 8 pin (of the 5pin) and the 8 pin stands there laughing at your face.
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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2008, 08:45:45 AM »
DANG! you were quicker
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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2008, 08:55:04 AM »
The ball generally doesn't hit the 8 pin unless it is a very high shot.  THe ball contacts on 4 pins in the rack.  For a right hander it is the 1-3-5-9. Lefties 1-2-5-8

Just a  bad luck leave, like others have said, the 5 pin gets kicked straight back (ball is driving hard through the deck) or towards the 7 pin (ball that has rolled out and is deflecting through the pocket)  Either one could/should fall, just some bad luck.
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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2008, 08:59:53 AM »
I wished I left an 8 pin one shot last nite. However (I am right handed) I drilled the 8 pin head on.....but watched as I stoned a pocket 7-9....sort of sucks when you are on a 4 bagger and mash the pocket and leave something you cannot pick up....

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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2008, 09:13:48 AM »
Some of the ole timers would say...if you leave the 8 pin, it was too perfect of a shot.(if there is such a thing). I guess meaning for a right-hander, entering the 1-3 pocket...either it drives in front or behind the 8 pin.

As one person said previously..."just bad luck"

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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2008, 10:31:07 AM »
I would say a tough break not bad luck. It can be explained. Since the ball doesnt hit the 8 pin on a pocket shot the ball drives in a way that the 5 pin goes straigh back instead of taking out the 8 pin. Like you said you know how to adjust for other pins which is good. The 8 is one you cant adjust for becuase there are other variables to take into account other than deflection. YOu have to take into account the rack not being exactly on spot.

Just take it as a good shot pick up the spare and dont let it get to you. And quit the idea of thinking that there is luck in the sport. There are good breaks but not luck. Keep up the good bowing.
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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2008, 11:35:09 AM »
quote:
Some of the ole timers would say...if you leave the 8 pin, it was too perfect of a shot.(if there is such a thing). I guess meaning for a right-hander, entering the 1-3 pocket...either it drives in front or behind the 8 pin.

As one person said previously..."just bad luck"

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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2008, 12:14:40 PM »
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I would say a tough break not bad luck. It can be explained. Since the ball doesnt hit the 8 pin on a pocket shot the ball drives in a way that the 5 pin goes straigh back instead of taking out the 8 pin. Like you said you know how to adjust for other pins which is good. The 8 is one you cant adjust for becuase there are other variables to take into account other than deflection. YOu have to take into account the rack not being exactly on spot.

Just take it as a good shot pick up the spare and dont let it get to you. And quit the idea of thinking that there is luck in the sport. There are good breaks but not luck. Keep up the good bowing.
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I would say a good break is good luck and a bad break is bad luck.  What is the difference?
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Re: Why the 8 pin?...
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2008, 01:22:05 PM »
Bob Hanson, I think, wrote a good analysis of where stone 8-pins come from.  Basically, it's not any one thing that does it, it's a confluence of things that have to come together just right.

But no matter how many 230s turn into 180s, they simply cannot compare to this.

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