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Post by: MrNattyBoh on June 26, 2008, 08:26:09 AM
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Post by: Pinbuster on June 26, 2008, 08:32:39 AM
When I leave 3 or more on a lane I generally feel there is something wrong with the rack. The 8 is slightly left or the 5 is slightly right giving a little more room for the ball to chop the 5 off the 8.
The bigger cardinal sin is missing an 8. One of the easiest spares on the lane.
Edited on 6/26/2008 8:36 AM
Post by: 1MechEng on June 26, 2008, 08:45:21 AM
This site has great videos showing the leave in slow motion:
http://www.teamstatpro.com/solid8pin.htm
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Post by: Grayson on June 26, 2008, 08:45:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EnZjv0tq48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9TTU6w5580
and here is a nice slomo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APaxT5KMwhc
the 5 pin simply is missing before the ball gets there so you get no deflection towards the 8 pin (of the 5pin) and the 8 pin stands there laughing at your face.
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Post by: Grayson on June 26, 2008, 08:45:45 AM
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Post by: Krakken on June 26, 2008, 08:55:04 AM
Just a bad luck leave, like others have said, the 5 pin gets kicked straight back (ball is driving hard through the deck) or towards the 7 pin (ball that has rolled out and is deflecting through the pocket) Either one could/should fall, just some bad luck.
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Post by: 3835 on June 26, 2008, 08:59:53 AM
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Post by: earlthepearle on June 26, 2008, 09:13:48 AM
As one person said previously..."just bad luck"
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Post by: bhsbigcountry on June 26, 2008, 10:31:07 AM
Just take it as a good shot pick up the spare and dont let it get to you. And quit the idea of thinking that there is luck in the sport. There are good breaks but not luck. Keep up the good bowing.
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Post by: SVstar34 on June 26, 2008, 11:35:09 AM
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Some of the ole timers would say...if you leave the 8 pin, it was too perfect of a shot.(if there is such a thing). I guess meaning for a right-hander, entering the 1-3 pocket...either it drives in front or behind the 8 pin.
As one person said previously..."just bad luck"
Earl
Yeah, it must be. The best ball I threw last nite in 5 games, was a stone 8
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Post by: Krakken on June 26, 2008, 12:14:40 PM
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I would say a tough break not bad luck. It can be explained. Since the ball doesnt hit the 8 pin on a pocket shot the ball drives in a way that the 5 pin goes straigh back instead of taking out the 8 pin. Like you said you know how to adjust for other pins which is good. The 8 is one you cant adjust for becuase there are other variables to take into account other than deflection. YOu have to take into account the rack not being exactly on spot.
Just take it as a good shot pick up the spare and dont let it get to you. And quit the idea of thinking that there is luck in the sport. There are good breaks but not luck. Keep up the good bowing.
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I would say a good break is good luck and a bad break is bad luck. What is the difference?
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Post by: shelley on June 26, 2008, 01:22:05 PM
But no matter how many 230s turn into 180s, they simply cannot compare to this (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSOTzi67jYQ").
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Post by: Dan Belcher on June 26, 2008, 01:45:57 PM
quote:"I don't believe it!!" Whenever I see a stone 8 pin, that's always the very first thing that comes to mind.
But no matter how many 230s turn into 180s, they simply cannot compare to this (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSOTzi67jYQ").
SH
Post by: Grayson on June 26, 2008, 02:26:42 PM
seems that certain entryangle avoid this and with some it can happen more easy..
I guess speed and rev match also play a bit role.
well.. I had days I had at least three 8s laughing at me
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Post by: NJStroker on June 26, 2008, 02:46:09 PM
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.
Post by: leftyinsnellville on June 26, 2008, 02:49:51 PM
Something as little as not cleaning the oil off your ball between shots can make the difference. Perhaps if your Red Zone didn't have the weight hole you would have carried those shots. Who really knows? Sometimes it's just the bowling gods keeping you humble.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on June 26, 2008, 03:04:28 PM
quote:I bowled four games on the Scorpion yesterday with my Cell and left two stone 8s and a stone 9 in just the first 2 games. However, I did not leave ANY 10 pins in the entire 4 game block. I'd rather shoot at an 8 pin than a 10 pin, so I think it's a fair tradeoff...
Blame it on technology! The reactive resin coverstocks have been perfected to such a degree that the ball just rips into the pocket once it hits the dry. As many have said before, the stone 8 comes from your ball driving through the deck and kicking the 5 out a little stronger than usual. The ball still deflects off the 5 to carry the nine, but the end result is no stike on a high flush shot into the pocket. That can tick off even the most affable bowler.
Post by: Xfest on June 26, 2008, 03:54:50 PM
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Post by: Grayson on June 26, 2008, 04:02:03 PM
quote:quote:I bowled four games on the Scorpion yesterday with my Cell and left two stone 8s and a stone 9 in just the first 2 games. However, I did not leave ANY 10 pins in the entire 4 game block. I'd rather shoot at an 8 pin than a 10 pin, so I think it's a fair tradeoff...
Blame it on technology! The reactive resin coverstocks have been perfected to such a degree that the ball just rips into the pocket once it hits the dry. As many have said before, the stone 8 comes from your ball driving through the deck and kicking the 5 out a little stronger than usual. The ball still deflects off the 5 to carry the nine, but the end result is no stike on a high flush shot into the pocket. That can tick off even the most affable bowler.
lol
I developed a matra over the time I bowl:
"any single pin is just a single pin"
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Post by: nerdytoes on June 26, 2008, 07:33:29 PM
Post by: lexlefty on June 26, 2008, 09:09:09 PM
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The ball generally doesn't hit the 8 pin unless it is a very high shot. THe ball contacts on 4 pins in the rack. For a right hander it is the 1-3-5-9. Lefties 1-2-5-8
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Post by: rvmark on June 27, 2008, 11:01:34 AM
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Post by: Krakken on June 27, 2008, 12:06:34 PM
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A little off-topic but I've always thought the 'prettiest' strikes to watch are when the last 2 pins standing are the 8 & 9 and the ball rolls off the deck splitting them.quote:
The ball generally doesn't hit the 8 pin unless it is a very high shot. THe ball contacts on 4 pins in the rack. For a right hander it is the 1-3-5-9. Lefties 1-2-5-8
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That is a good looking shot to watch, and one of those "good Break" scenarios. Good thing that ball continued to drive through the deck.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on June 27, 2008, 05:31:55 PM