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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: iamnas22 on January 03, 2006, 07:39:19 AM

Title: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: iamnas22 on January 03, 2006, 07:39:19 AM: Why do people still throw 16lb equipment? I never really understood this one. Any viable arguments for throwing a 16lb ball?
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: Speedburner89 on January 03, 2006, 03:43:55 PM: I'm one of the tons of idiots who throws 16 and really shouldn't. I get much better control and more revs with 14 pound equipment which i'll be switching to in the spring
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: shelley on January 03, 2006, 03:44:47 PM: It's what you're used to and what you've learned to throw? Exceptionally strong people may muscle or overthrow lighter balls, though for such a person, I fail to see how much difference a single pound would make.

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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: MelvinBrunsTrack on January 03, 2006, 03:49:00 PM: Well myself I never thrown anything but 16lbs. Since I lift alot of weight, even 16lbs is too light. I can control 16lbs no problem. No problem if I do a double header in league. I am 46 years old. It's depend on the individual.
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: BowlerKidR on January 03, 2006, 04:06:35 PM: quote:
Well myself I never thrown anything but 16lbs. Since I lift alot of weight, even 16lbs is too light. I can control 16lbs no problem. No problem if I do a double header in league. I am 46 years old. It's depend on the individual.

agreed, its all about the bowler. Most people bowling (sorry to say) arent very physically fit like you Melvin, so most cant handle 16 or shouldnt, yet do, and would be better off with a 14 or 15. We never recomend more than 15 to anyone who comes into my shop, no matter age, muscle, or anything. Only whewn someone already throws 16 do we sell a 16. Plain and simple, theres no real reason to stick with 16.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: DP3 on January 03, 2006, 04:21:00 PM: I've been throwing 16 for 3 years now. I don't muscle the ball or the downswing so I have no problems with over/under hitting or over/under powering the ball. Just a nice and free muscle-less swing and there's no resistance. I honestly can't feel the difference between a 15 and 16 after it's drilled and in my hands.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: SKC on January 03, 2006, 04:23:30 PM: I feel a big difference in 15 and 16 lbs.. I used to work out a lot, and 15 lbs just feels too light.. I have a lot more control using 16.. Heck, 16 feels light..

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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: htotheizzo3561 on January 03, 2006, 04:44:22 PM: Used 16 for many years then switched to 15 for approx. 1 year, never got a consistent reaction with it left a lot more 7, 8, and 9 pins and usually threw it past my breakpoint on tournament conditions I can't have that. Switched back to 16s and I am loving it!
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: Brandon Riley on January 03, 2006, 05:07:26 PM: 15s tend to go just past my desired breakpoint because I throw them too hard. Also, I get more revolutions and that makes the ball snap. I get a smoother arcing reaction without the sharper angle.
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 03, 2006, 05:20:35 PM: I prefer 16 pound balls however I've bought and bowled with some 15 pound bowling balls that were at bargain prices! I use the heavier balls because that's what I've ALWAYS used .. don't believe there's an ADVANTAGE to them!
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: DP3 on January 03, 2006, 05:27:17 PM: I find it too funny when people say "XXX amount of weight gives me more control". You shouldn't be controlling anything in your swing path. Watch the tour and the tougher condition amatuer tournaments, the guys at the top are the ones with the freest armswings.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: brenttsr on January 03, 2006, 05:34:20 PM: there is a difference, take one pound times 17 mph that equates to alot for damage at the end the lane. do the math.
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: wbronco63 on January 03, 2006, 05:43:18 PM: what equation are you using?
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: a_ak57 on January 03, 2006, 05:48:38 PM: Well, if money is important to you....You can get 16 pound stuff (older or rare) on ebay for a lot cheaper than 15. I've literally seen a 16 pound sapphire zone go for 33 bucks or so plus shipping, when a 15 pounder at the same time went for over 100.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: Sawuser on January 03, 2006, 05:54:25 PM: I can see dropping from 16 to 15, but why would anyone go from 16 down to 14 & just skip 15? Two pounds is a lot!
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: zeusjr on January 03, 2006, 05:59:31 PM: I've been throwing 16 since I started bowling, but I just bought my first 15. I've been having issues with my wrist for the past few months so, I've shortened my span a bit when I bought my Tsunami and since then I bought a used SCB that is 15 to try and see if that helps more.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: BrianCRX90 on January 03, 2006, 08:21:55 PM: If you weigh over 200 pounds and are in good phsyical shape, you should be using a 16lb ball.
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: nd300 on January 03, 2006, 10:17:37 PM: I throw 16's myself,but from what I've been told,15 lb stuff is supposed to keep pins lower to the deck for more mixing action.
I've thrown 16's all my life.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: BrianCRX90 on January 03, 2006, 10:30:12 PM: Ron Clifton as usuall is full of sh|t. There are few if no pros that use 14 lb equipment.
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: Jeffrevs on January 04, 2006, 06:57:18 AM: always thrown 16 ......and I can still throw it through the breakpoint if I get too fast...basically a pretty free armswing, but I can still do it.

It's personal preference.....

When I start getting sore, etc from the 16, I'll drop to 15
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: chitown on January 04, 2006, 07:18:45 AM: I can handle 16lb equipment with out a problem. I switched to 15lb equipment this season. I'm glad I switched because I know in the long run it's better choice. It took a little bit of time to get used to throwing 15lb but I don't see any difference in pin action between the two.

It's not stupid to throw 16lb equipment. If you can hadle it then I don't see any problem.
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: Rick Wunder on January 04, 2006, 07:48:30 AM: quote:
Ron Clifton as usuall is full of sh|t. There are few if no pros that use 14 lb equipment.

If you're going to make statements in an attempt to support your Ron Clifton theory, tell both sides of the story - not many pros use 16 lb. equipment, either.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: KDawg77 on January 04, 2006, 11:05:09 AM: quote:
16lb gives you maximum hitting power.

This is false. With today's technology, "hitting power" and pin carry is basically equal for 15 and 16 pounds. Bowling is not Force equals Mass times acceleration. It's the equlibrium of technique from approach to release combined with ball choice to match the lane. Many slower speed players carry just as well as high rev players.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: TheAxeEffect415 on January 04, 2006, 11:13:28 AM: I've been throwing 16lb equipment all my life as well. I think everyone is right when there saying it is just personal reference. I throw about 17.8-18mph according to the qubica. I can't imagine what it would be like to go a pound lighter. For me however I just feel comfortable as all of you. I think you don't have to be a muscle bound guy to throw 16. I think you just need to know your limits. If you bowl quite a few games and are looking for more control I would suggest 15 or lighter just so you don't get so tired. But as everyone has said its a comfort issue as well as a personal prefernce.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: BrianCRX90 on January 04, 2006, 08:28:51 PM: quote:
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Ron Clifton as usuall is full of sh|t. There are few if no pros that use 14 lb equipment.

If you're going to make statements in an attempt to support your Ron Clifton theory, tell both sides of the story - not many pros use 16 lb. equipment, either.
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I follow the tour problaly more and deeper then anyone here and even without looking at evidence there is no pro that uses a 14 pound ball on tour. While there are more that use 15 over 16, it is approximatly 75% to 25% ratio of 15 to 16 lb equipment by the exempt players right now on the exempt tour.

Edited on 1/4/2006 9:18 PM
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: budcotten on January 04, 2006, 08:32:22 PM: im not in the best shape but i can controol 16 just fine my arm dosent get tired fast either i am picking up a 15 pound ebonite the one ill see how that goes
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: htotheizzo3561 on January 04, 2006, 08:55:20 PM: Just say it, 16 pounds is MAN WEIGHT!! lol.
Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: Airplay on January 04, 2006, 08:58:01 PM: I use 16 pound bowling balls. I tried 15 pound stuff two summers ago when I tried to switch because of a sore back. I tended to overthrow the 15 pound stuff as has been stated already. I would send the ball past the breakpoint. I solved the back problem by adding lower back exersizes to my workouts. Now I have about 5 15 pound balls that get no use. The only condition that I seem to get any benefit from them is on light oil conditions. There the extra speed actually helps. I find that extra polish does the same trick on 16 pound stuff. I have a much looser armswing with 16 pound balls. I can let the ball swing the arm instead of the arm swinging the ball, or something like that.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: BrianCRX90 on January 04, 2006, 11:19:37 PM: quote:
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there is no pro that uses a 14 pound ball on tour.

Didn't Bob Benoit win a tour stop using a 14 pound ball?
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: RSalas on January 04, 2006, 11:25:17 PM: quote:
Any viable arguments for throwing a 16lb ball?

Any viable arguments *against* throwing a 16-pound ball? None of the ones I've heard hold any water with me.
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Title: Re: Why throw a 16lb ball?
Post by: Brandon Riley on January 04, 2006, 11:56:23 PM: 16lbs is a manly weight. end of topic.