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housebowlerwannabe

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Wierd PAP location
« on: April 06, 2009, 07:40:58 PM »
Hey guys. I just found out today that my PAP is located in the center of my grip. I would consider myself a good bowler. I have cashed in a few regionals and average about 215 or so. My questions are: what could cause this? and what type of drillings would I benefit from? I have asked a few people and they say they have not heard of this ever happening.
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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2009, 03:57:36 AM »
...and you've verified this with putting a piece of tape in the center of grip then throwing the ball?
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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2009, 05:00:15 AM »
Perhaps if you've mastered the helicopter ball...other than that I can't see it happening.
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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2009, 06:36:01 AM »
Are you sure it's your PAP in the center of your grip and not that you track through the center of your grip...i.e. a full roller?
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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2009, 08:41:32 AM »
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...and you've verified this with putting a piece of tape in the center of grip then throwing the ball?
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JessN16

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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2009, 11:17:08 AM »
Had a friend who had this kind of PAP. He also averaged 80. He also had no tilt, meaning he was rolling his wrist over at the point of release, as if he was a baseball pitcher throwing a laterally-moving curveball.

I've seen some spinner guys come really close to this (another guy with a PAP of around 1 over, 1 up and averaged 210 with it), but it's rare and you should definitely get it confirmed.

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housebowlerwannabe

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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2009, 12:00:33 PM »
Yeah. Last night my teammate commented that I had a track that no where close to my fingers and thumb. We showed it to a couple of the more experienced guys in the league and they said they has never seen a track so far away from my fingers and thumb. After league a guy put a piece of tape in the center of my grip just to see what was going on. The just stayed in place right off my hand. I throw it about 19-20 mph and have a pretty good rev rate. I really just dont see how I started doing this. I guess it does explain why I have problems on oil though.
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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 12:37:20 PM »
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Yeah. Last night my teammate commented that I had a track that no where close to my fingers and thumb. We showed it to a couple of the more experienced guys in the league and they said they has never seen a track so far away from my fingers and thumb. After league a guy put a piece of tape in the center of my grip just to see what was going on. The just stayed in place right off my hand. I throw it about 19-20 mph and have a pretty good rev rate. I really just dont see how I started doing this. I guess it does explain why I have problems on oil though.


Is the tape "staying in the same place" and pointing straight up to the ceiling, or is it staying in place and pointing somewhere else, like 90 degrees to the lane? I'm trying to get a feel for how much tilt you have. How much of the circumference of the ball does your track cover?

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housebowlerwannabe

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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 01:00:20 PM »
It is in between. Its not straight up in the air or at 90. It is about right in the middle of the two. I still have a fairly large track.
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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2009, 01:18:57 PM »
can you post a picture of your track?  You'd have to have a straight up and down track to put the PAP in the center of your grip and it would have to be an almost complete spinner release.

If you draw a line around the first ring of your track are the fingers and thumb equally distant from the track?
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housebowlerwannabe

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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2009, 01:25:39 PM »
yeah. I can try to do that.
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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2009, 01:27:13 PM »
I have seen a similar PAP, not quite as drastic, 1" over and 1 1/2" up.  This was caused by him being thumb dominant.  Instead of rotating his fingers around his thumb, he rotated his thumb around his fingers.  He also had a large track, somewhere around 11".
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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2009, 01:37:39 PM »
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I have seen a similar PAP, not quite as drastic, 1" over and 1 1/2" up.  This was caused by him being thumb dominant.  Instead of rotating his fingers around his thumb, he rotated his thumb around his fingers.  He also had a large track, somewhere around 11".


i agree. thats what it sounds like he's doing at his release. its like he is opening a jar of pickles or something turning his hand left to right.

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housebowlerwannabe

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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2009, 01:38:49 PM »
I tried to take the pics but I have no grease pencils. Its kinda hard to see the track in the pics. I can grab a pencil from work tonight.
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housebowlerwannabe

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Re: Wierd PAP location
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2009, 01:48:18 PM »
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I have seen a similar PAP, not quite as drastic, 1" over and 1 1/2" up.  This was caused by him being thumb dominant.  Instead of rotating his fingers around his thumb, he rotated his thumb around his fingers.  He also had a large track, somewhere around 11".


i agree. thats what it sounds like he's doing at his release. its like he is opening a jar of pickles or something turning his hand left to right.

whatever works, works. do your thing man.



Yeah thats what my league members said last night (I shot 810), but I struggle on oil. I just started bowling regionals, and I have trouble usually in the first few games. Also, I often here people talk about spinning the ball as a negative thing.
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