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scotts33

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Will an Off the Corner Trajectory Work on ALL Conditions?
« on: October 23, 2004, 04:05:57 AM »
For many old timers on the BR forum this type of trajectory was used in the days of laquer and rubber balls.  

I have used this type of attack before especially on hard conditions. Recently, I've been thinking this type of trajectory probably would work on THS as well as flatter/tougher lane conditions.  Why this would work is that once you have the stroke down all you really need to change is type of ball used and speed....line always stays the same.  Caryy from this line is usually always good.

Anybody have an opinion especially those that use it as their A game say 90% of the time.  Like to hear.

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Re: Will an Off the Corner Trajectory Work on ALL Conditions?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2004, 12:51:37 PM »
My friends make fun of me of often playing wayyyyy outside. I am capable of creating the big hook if i need it, but my "A" Game is playing outside. What I usually do is tweak my hand, speed, equipment, and maybe even angle (i sometimes play the 5 at the arrows and maybe 2 in the backend... I"ve done it before with lots of success). It works. Just practice it.

House shots won't let you do it... most of them, at least. If you bowl on sport patterns, there are several that will allow you to do this, with the exception of extremely long patterns... like 43' or more.
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Re: Will an Off the Corner Trajectory Work on ALL Conditions?
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2004, 01:00:35 PM »
As a stroker with moderate side rotation, I'm pretty used to playing this line for my B-game (My A-game is basically any line that crosses the 9th, 10th or 11th board from any angle. A pretty common line I know ).

Speaking from experience, this kind of shot IS effective for most conditions apart from 2 distinct ones:

- Any condition that has very short or no oil for the first 4 boards. On such conditions (usually the typical house shot), even a moderately aggressive reactive ball can be too much. Granted, you probably have 1 exact board to hit at the exact angle for the perfect rollout flush strike (miss your board and its a nose hit usually), but a 1-board area isn't exactly something you want do you?
I've tried playing with less aggressive equipment before (including urethane), but most of the time I get inconsistent results. Speed control is also very important in such cases. Personally I feel you're better off swinging it or playing other lines when you get these golden conditions...unless you're training you accuracy. A plastic ball would theoretically work too, but why handicap yourself?

- Conditions where the oil is laid out flat from gutter to gutter. You basically end up with the same problems as above PLUS carrydown and a higher chance of the ball missing right of the headpin (and leaving washouts) if you angle is off a little to the right. A flat condition is THE hardest condition I have ever bowled on period. You just can't 'cheat' at all.

Conditions where this kind of shot is 'safe' and potentially high scoring:
- Longer oil patterns.
- Broken down condition where the high-traffic parts of the lane (2nd arrow to the 4th) are spotty or have dried out.
- Certain tournament/sports/flat conditions where the oil is laid out flat  EXCEPT for the first five boards, where the oil is shorter and tapered. See PBA pattern E for example. I had a field day on this condition playing a diagonal shot from the outside, pointing it towards the 6-pin and letting it dive into the pocket. Managed to hit a 750 series on this condition once

If you want a good example on how to line up your shoulders/where to stand etc. for this shot, you should take a look at Norm Duke. He plays this line pretty often...and very effectively. Trust me, once you're good at this, your friends will be chanting DUUUUUKE everytime you bowl.

Oh yeah...and did I tell you this shot is great at tripping 4-pins?

Edited on 10/23/2004 12:56 PM

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Re: Will an Off the Corner Trajectory Work on ALL Conditions?
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2004, 08:22:37 PM »
Jeremy and Rev-less have good points about a THS.  Most of them have little or no oil outside of 5.  You would have to throw something very mild, have a lot of ball speed, or be good at eliminating dry heads (loft, "floating" the ball) in order to keep the ball from hooking early.  Also, a THS gives you a lot of mistake room by standing left, throwing right.  If the objective is to knock down the most pins, why not take advantage of it?  Throwing off the corner is a good skill to have, especially on tough conditions, but few people would consider a THS tough.
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Re: Will an Off the Corner Trajectory Work on ALL Conditions?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2004, 08:03:39 AM »
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Personally I feel you're better off swinging it or playing other lines when you get these golden conditions...unless you're training you accuracy. A plastic ball would theoretically work too, but why handicap yourself?
 


True Rev-less.  I'm basically trying to groove my arm swing to be able to make repateable shots off the corner for use on sport conditions and tougher lane conditions that I see very often now.  Can use an Amulet Glow on THS's and carry is relatively good as I am coming in from an angle.  It is a weaker urethane with a dynamic core.

Thanks for all your responses.

Scott

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Re: Will an Off the Corner Trajectory Work on ALL Conditions?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2004, 09:15:13 AM »
You have to play the “sweet spot” on the lane, the line that gives you the most room and best carry.

If you try to force another shot on it by equipment and/or speed and/or release and/or loft you can be relatively successful but will be beaten by the bowlers playing the lanes correctly.

While this is Walter Ray’s bread and butter shot he will play different lines, different lofts, different speeds and different amounts of hook depending on how the lanes are reacting. He can and will play it hard and straight anywhere from the 2 board to the 17 board at the arrows.