Author Topic: How big would the difference be.. (Read 1877 times)

Lillen · « **on:** September 22, 2009, 06:40:39 PM »

if you used a "high flaring ball" compared to a "low flaring ball" when you want to locate your PAP?

Are we talking an inch/es or less than that?

Thanks..
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #1 on:** September 23, 2009, 03:39:37 AM »

To find the PAP, there should not be a big difference, but I'd say a low flaring piece with a weak/hard cover would be best. Actually, you are searching for the initial track, so a low-flaring, non-porous ball should yield the results that are most easy to read.

But even on a high flaring piece, finding the 1st track should not be that big problem - unless you have a spongy coveer that immediately sucks away the lane conditioner.

As a side note, some prefer a spare ball to find the PAP/1st track. But I found that the track on a spare ball can differ quite a lot from the "normal" release of a strike ball.
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No Revs00300 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2009, 04:16:34 AM »

Good reply dizzy, I could not have said it better.

r534me · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2009, 04:24:56 AM »

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To find the PAP, there should not be a big difference, but I'd say a low flaring piece with a weak/hard cover would be best. Actually, you are searching for the initial track, so a low-flaring, non-porous ball should yield the results that are most easy to read.

But even on a high flaring piece, finding the 1st track should not be that big problem - unless you have a spongy coveer that immediately sucks away the lane conditioner.

As a side note, some prefer a spare ball to find the PAP/1st track. But I found that the track on a spare ball can differ quite a lot from the "normal" release of a strike ball.
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A spare ball thrown with the strike ball release should yield the proper results. Measuring the track using a spare ball would likely only yield proper results if the spare ball is always used with the strike ball release(and some people do that but not me).

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #4 on:** September 23, 2009, 05:24:49 AM »

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A spare ball thrown with the strike ball release should yield the proper results. Measuring the track using a spare ball would likely only yield proper results if the spare ball is always used with the strike ball release(and some people do that but not me).

Same problem here. I have a full roller track with my spare shots (on purpose), and even when I try to make a normal strike shot release with it, the track tend to be a tad higher than normal. I have seen similar differences with friends when we tried to locate their PAP, too. Best results came with normal strike shot balls. Weird.
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stormed1 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 23, 2009, 08:26:22 AM »

A long time ago i asked mo about this as my PAP on 2 piwxw vs 3 piece was different with the same release. He told me it was because the ball flared in the air before it hit the lane
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nospareball · « **Reply #6 on:** September 23, 2009, 01:34:04 PM »

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A long time ago i asked mo about this as my PAP on 2 piwxw vs 3 piece was different with the same release. He told me it was because the ball flared in the air before it hit the lane
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Not to doubt Mo, but if a ball flares in the 3 or 4 feet it's in the air then it's going to flare all the way around the ball a bunch of times before it gets to the pins.

On most balls you won't see much flare if any in the first 15ft or so.
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Lillen · « **Reply #7 on:** September 24, 2009, 03:29:15 PM »

Thanks for your answers guys, gonna roll both my Orbit Extreme Pearl (low flaring) and my Secret Agent (high flaring) on monday next week and measure the difference between the balls..

The guy who drills my balls now owns the Bowling Center where the shop is located, so it'll be easy to do the comparison..

Dizzy and r534me, I also have a different release with my spare ball...

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JohnP · « **Reply #8 on:** September 25, 2009, 03:30:20 PM »

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On most balls you won't see much flare if any in the first 15ft or so.

Have you ever marked someone's true PAP on a high flaring ball and watched it? If not, try it, then tell us whether or not it flares in the first 15 ft or so. Don't try it yourself unless you can video tape it, you won't be able to see it.

Lillen -- When you do your experiment, locate your PAP on the lowest flaring ball you have first. Then mark the location with white tape on the higher flaring ball. Have someone watch it AS SOON AS it leaves your hand and the marked PAP should stay stationary for a short distance. -- JohnP

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