Author Topic: Working on Timing (Read 9070 times)

n00dlejester · « **on:** December 28, 2017, 11:54:12 AM »

After years of not understanding early vs. late timing, I'm working with a coach that's helping me finish sliding before releasing the ball. My problem is that I tend to 'carry' the ball a bit and start my armswing a tad bit late, causing me to muscle the swing both up and down. This causes some (severe) misfires.

That said, what triggers do you guys use to help start the armswing at the right time? Any drills? Anything I can do at home? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated!

BallReviews-Removed0385 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 28, 2017, 12:44:19 PM »

Get a copy of The Game Changer by Mark Baker and learn about the "timing spot". It will be the best $25 you'll spend on your game, and it's loaded with other things that will help you.

Anything that makes you muscle your armswing needs to be re-evaluated for the very reason you mentioned (misfires). Bowling is about REPETITION. If you can repeat your shot with regularity, and hit your intended targets, all that's left is staying lined up.

storybook123 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 28, 2017, 12:54:01 PM »

if you do a 4 step approach think of your foot and hand being on a frozen rope tied together, when one moves on your first step the other must move at the same time.

n00dlejester · « **Reply #3 on:** December 28, 2017, 01:24:22 PM »

Thank you for this, notclay! I'll be picking this up ASAP!!

Quote from: notclay on December 28, 2017, 12:44:19 PM

Get a copy of The Game Changer by Mark Baker and learn about the "timing spot". It will be the best $25 you'll spend on your game, and it's loaded with other things that will help you.

Anything that makes you muscle your armswing needs to be re-evaluated for the very reason you mentioned (misfires). Bowling is about REPETITION. If you can repeat your shot with regularity, and hit your intended targets, all that's left is staying lined up.

n00dlejester · « **Reply #4 on:** December 28, 2017, 02:49:49 PM »

I do a 5 step approach, but I understand this concept. I try real hard to do the frozen-rope thing, but sometimes I carry that ball too damn far! Stupid ball.

Quote from: storybook123 on December 28, 2017, 12:54:01 PM

if you do a 4 step approach think of your foot and hand being on a frozen rope tied together, when one moves on your first step the other must move at the same time.

storybook123 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 29, 2017, 06:40:06 AM »

Quote from: n00dlejester on December 28, 2017, 02:49:49 PM

I do a 5 step approach, but I understand this concept. I try real hard to do the frozen-rope thing, but sometimes I carry that ball too damn far! Stupid ball.

Quote from: storybook123 on December 28, 2017, 12:54:01 PM
if you do a 4 step approach think of your foot and hand being on a frozen rope tied together, when one moves on your first step the other must move at the same time.

I do a 5 step as well, where do you start the ball? I start mine pretty low near my hip height, so that way even if I am a little late in my timing I have a shorter back swing versus starting the ball at chest height which creates a bigger back swing, and when you're late with a big back swing its harder to just sit there at the line waiting for the ball to catch up.

AlonzoHarris · « **Reply #6 on:** December 29, 2017, 11:44:07 AM »

I do a 5 step approach as well. I start a slight move forward with the ball like an inch or two as an initiator in my first step. I try to have my arm extended and ball on the down swing when my second step completes. Maybe it's not 100% textbook, but it keeps my timing in check, for the most part haha.

michiganbowlingcoach · « **Reply #7 on:** January 01, 2018, 11:38:49 AM »

Practice about 1000 shots is the only way you can change your muscle memory . What is wrong with your early timing?

HackJandy · « **Reply #8 on:** January 01, 2018, 12:52:48 PM »

Getting a coach means you are already ahead of the curve. Me, I am too stubborn to do it any way but by myself. Finally averaging over 180 (190 in sight) but took the long way to do so. Still do recommend taking a look at http://stores.eileensbowlingbuddy.com as they have some aides awesome for building strength and working on timing muscle memory. The other thing I found is sometimes release and follow through problems can make you think they are timing problems or arm swing problems. Finally figuring out how to consistently control my axis rotation with my hand and finger positions at release and follow through made a lot of the other problems I thought I had go away.

Mako · « **Reply #9 on:** January 03, 2018, 01:06:17 PM »

Quote from: HackJandy on January 01, 2018, 12:52:48 PM

Getting a coach means you are already ahead of the curve. Me, I am too stubborn to do it any way but by myself. Finally averaging over 180 (190 in sight) but took the long way to do so. Still do recommend taking a look at http://stores.eileensbowlingbuddy.com as they have some aides awesome for building strength and working on timing muscle memory. The other thing I found is sometimes release and follow through problems can make you think they are timing problems or arm swing problems. Finally figuring out how to consistently control my axis rotation with my hand and finger positions at release and follow through made a lot of the other problems I thought I had go away.

180/190 - how hard is the house you bowl in?!?!

Maybe you need to try some Storm/ Roto grip equipment!!!!

HackJandy · « **Reply #10 on:** January 03, 2018, 03:14:26 PM »

Quote from: Mako on January 03, 2018, 01:06:17 PM

Quote from: HackJandy on January 01, 2018, 12:52:48 PM
Getting a coach means you are already ahead of the curve. Me, I am too stubborn to do it any way but by myself. Finally averaging over 180 (190 in sight) but took the long way to do so. Still do recommend taking a look at http://stores.eileensbowlingbuddy.com as they have some aides awesome for building strength and working on timing muscle memory. The other thing I found is sometimes release and follow through problems can make you think they are timing problems or arm swing problems. Finally figuring out how to consistently control my axis rotation with my hand and finger positions at release and follow through made a lot of the other problems I thought I had go away.

180/190 - how hard is the house you bowl in?!?!

Maybe you need to try some Storm/ Roto grip equipment!!!!

Have some. Ball doesn't throw game for you sadly. Just got back into bowling after long layoff sure I will be up over 200 here in no time. Was around there when I quit some years back.

n00dlejester · « **Reply #11 on:** January 03, 2018, 03:24:42 PM »

Quote from: storybook123 on December 29, 2017, 06:40:06 AM

Quote from: n00dlejester on December 28, 2017, 02:49:49 PM
I do a 5 step approach, but I understand this concept. I try real hard to do the frozen-rope thing, but sometimes I carry that ball too damn far! Stupid ball.

Quote from: storybook123 on December 28, 2017, 12:54:01 PM
if you do a 4 step approach think of your foot and hand being on a frozen rope tied together, when one moves on your first step the other must move at the same time.

I do a 5 step as well, where do you start the ball? I start mine pretty low near my hip height, so that way even if I am a little late in my timing I have a shorter back swing versus starting the ball at chest height which creates a bigger back swing, and when you're late with a big back swing its harder to just sit there at the line waiting for the ball to catch up.

I start the ball maybe a hair above hip level, so probably real similar to you. I actually took some video last night and the timing felt pretty good towards the end of league. I'll try to upload them after work and show the world my timing.

n00dlejester · « **Reply #12 on:** January 03, 2018, 03:26:37 PM »

Quote from: michiganbowlingcoach on January 01, 2018, 11:38:49 AM

Practice about 1000 shots is the only way you can change your muscle memory . What is wrong with your early timing?

1000 shots - sounds like a frat party, lol. I'm hopeful to work on that over the next few weeks.

As for my issue, I my feet there early and feel the urge to muscle the ball down during my downswing. I'd say 5/10 times I can get away with it, and 5/10 times is really inconsistent (speed, trajectory, axis tilt/rotation, revs). I want to eliminate the inconsistency by having a more repeatable armswing.

n00dlejester · « **Reply #13 on:** January 03, 2018, 03:27:50 PM »

Quote from: HackJandy on January 01, 2018, 12:52:48 PM

Getting a coach means you are already ahead of the curve. Me, I am too stubborn to do it any way but by myself. Finally averaging over 180 (190 in sight) but took the long way to do so. Still do recommend taking a look at http://stores.eileensbowlingbuddy.com as they have some aides awesome for building strength and working on timing muscle memory. The other thing I found is sometimes release and follow through problems can make you think they are timing problems or arm swing problems. Finally figuring out how to consistently control my axis rotation with my hand and finger positions at release and follow through made a lot of the other problems I thought I had go away.

This site has some amazing tools! I might splurge on one of them. Thank you for this link.

HackJandy · « **Reply #14 on:** January 03, 2018, 03:57:04 PM »

Quote from: n00dlejester on January 03, 2018, 03:27:50 PM

Quote from: HackJandy on January 01, 2018, 12:52:48 PM
Getting a coach means you are already ahead of the curve. Me, I am too stubborn to do it any way but by myself. Finally averaging over 180 (190 in sight) but took the long way to do so. Still do recommend taking a look at http://stores.eileensbowlingbuddy.com as they have some aides awesome for building strength and working on timing muscle memory. The other thing I found is sometimes release and follow through problems can make you think they are timing problems or arm swing problems. Finally figuring out how to consistently control my axis rotation with my hand and finger positions at release and follow through made a lot of the other problems I thought I had go away.

This site has some amazing tools! I might splurge on one of them. Thank you for this link.

No problem. For swing timing I would say get either the power trainer or swing trainer. Power trainer is closer to real weight of ball and builds more strength but swing trainer is a little better for diagnosing muscling and for working on timing as can swing it easier and more times. Plus its better for working on keeping your swing plane straight if need to. I have both.

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