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dicnic

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How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« on: September 17, 2011, 01:29:41 AM »
Just started using a new (old) ball. When I find one I like, I usually buy more than one. The reaction (great backend) is terrific but I am wondering how long this will last. Some call this "Ball Death" and the proponents of resurfacing believe one can bring a ball back from "Ball Death" with a good resurfacing.
 
In any event, how many games would one expect to get out of a ball before experiencing the beginnings of "Ball Death"? 
 
And, does it vary with the ball/type/manufacturer?
 
Your input would be appreciated.
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2011, 09:35:33 AM »
my expierence is that it depends on well you take care of it.

 

I clean a ball with black magic before it goes back into the bag; every time.  I use clean-n-dull every 4 to 6 weeks.  My stuff lasts a long time.  the games measure well into the 100's; sometimes even into the 1000's.

 

 



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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2011, 09:46:36 AM »
there is NO set amount of time....too many variables.

 

The biggest factor is the additives in the oils the center is using and the volumes. How porous the ball is also, as in how quickly the ball is designed to absorb oil. The more porous & absorbant, the higher the potential the ball has to mellow out.

Bowling balls do not die...they merely change there composition and/or make-up


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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2011, 06:27:37 PM »
IMO, the best thing you can do to maintain your ball's reaction is to wipe it off with a microfiber towel before each delivery.  That will help keep the oil and crud off the ball.  Eventually it will absorb enough oil that performance decreases, that's when a de-oiling and resurfacing can liven it up.  --  JohnP



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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2011, 07:30:42 PM »
From what I see on today's THS, about 75-100 games just gets the ball track, oil absorbion properties into a good playing surface.   I use to clean and resurface for folks and they couldn't hit their a-- with it for awhile.

 

This cleaning and resurfacing is kind of overblown.    Most of the 230+ young folks in this area wouldn't let anyone touch their stuff.



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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2011, 10:18:19 PM »
"In any event, how many games would one expect to get out of a ball before experiencing the beginnings of "Ball Death"? "
 
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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2011, 10:19:03 PM »
BrunsRico hit it on pretty good.

One thing you can try and do is keep the ball polished... That will prevent a high oil absorbtion rate and give you the max life out of it. That only goes back to what he stated though. If you got a ball at 500 Dull that thing wont take long at all,etc.

 

Continue cleaning it good and dont be stupid like most do and use alcohol/Finesse It polish to keep it shiny!!!!

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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2011, 12:02:21 AM »
 Mr. Davis,

 

 What do you mean by the comment below?

 

 Are you saying it is stupid not to clean your equipment?

 

 OR, do you mean it is stupid to use alcohol to clean and Finesse It to polish with?
 



John D Davis wrote on 9/17/2011 10:19 PM:
Continue cleaning it good and dont be stupid like most do and use alcohol/Finesse It polish to keep it shiny!!!!
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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2011, 02:02:11 AM »
THAT IT IS STUPID>>>>to yes use alcohol or finesse it polish to clean or maintain your equipment<<<<<<<<

 

Cleaning your equipment every outting is awsome but yeah even I am to lazy for that crap.

Best Cleaners to me are:

Legends/Lane Masters Cleaner (if you can stand the smell)

Black Magic Rejuvinator

Been using a product called Tack Up lately

And then there's trusty ol Clean and Dull (best cleaner ever, just needs some pressure)

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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2011, 06:25:13 PM »
Call me stupid then.  I use Isoprophyl alcohol to clean the balls and use Finesse It to polish.  Have over 1000 games on my Blue Warlock and it still hooks good.  Of course, I also use the hot water method to remove oil periodically and use a spinner to restore the surface when needed.  But maybe the Finesse It is bad for the BW, it has been hooking too much lately on the backend for how I want the ball to react.
 
I use other products too for polishing the ball like Snake Oil and UFO, but I do use the FI as a compound polish when I think it is needed.  The BW is the one ball that has had the alcohol and FI used the most on it and it has the most games of all my balls except perhaps my spare ball, so that is why I referenced that ball.
 

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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2011, 07:02:00 PM »
..something other than the tired old oil absorption scenario.There are

a few other reasons.



The center put down the forward run distance of oil to far.This can

cause very weak ball reaction because of excess amount of carrydown

only after one game.Did the center change this.

The heads are drier than usual.Especially on a freshly oiled lane.Is

the ball hooking early through the midlane area.Bad lane surface

and lack of oil in the lay-down area can cause this.Is the center

running the machine to fast in the heads and milane on the return.If

so they need to slow the machine down.

These are two majors reasons you may perceive ball death.There

are a few others,but these are two of the bigger reasons.




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Often times I hear this comment and there are many reasons why this can happen. Frequently, the center that you are going to bowl the tournament in (say for example the USBC Open Championships) is using a different brand of cleaner, different oil, and a different lane surface (not even taking account of one of the biggest differences….topography). Those are very obvious factors, but often people think that because they have the same lane machine as at the tournament site that it should cover all of those differences. Ultimately, even if you have the same lane surface, oil, cleaner, and lane machine, differences will still remain.



One of the differences we see often is the physical condition of the lane machine. Even though each Kegel lane machine leaves the factory meeting all of our strict adjustment and performance specifications, what happens to it from there is totally dependent on the maintenance (or lack thereof) that is given to it.



For an example, let’s compare two cars: Two 2011 Chevrolet Corvettes.



One Corvette lands in the hands of a business man who uses it strictly as a commuter car. He washes and waxes it every week, changes the oil right at 3000 miles, and always uses synthetic oil. He manages to put 25,000 miles on the car in a 12-month period.



The second Corvette ends up being a rental car. The car is in numerous drivers’ hands many of which perform routine burnouts and jackrabbit starts. This car also logs 25,000 miles in a 12-month span.



Though both of these cars started their life exactly the same, do you think both cars are going to look the same and perform the same after 12 months? Do you think the interiors are going to be the same? It wouldn’t surprise me if the rental car’s transmission doesn’t shift as crisp and probably a few of the basic items are a little more worn out (brakes, parking brake, tires, etc.) All I know is, I’ll take Corvette number 1 and you can take a chance with the rental car, haha!



Knowing this, do you think all lane machines are treated the same? We’ve seen many lane machines after one year look like they’ve never been cleaned! Oil drips out of the vacuum motor (where it never should), the transfer brush is filled with dirt and hair, the paint is peeling off due to cleaner being spilled on it numerous times, and the frame has been tweaked throwing the factory adjustments out of spec since the machine has been dropped more than a half-dozen times due to negligence.



• Do you think that this machine I described above will put out the pattern the same way the brand new machines we have at the USBC Open Championships will?

• Do you think the pattern will be the same with a machine that doesn’t clean the lane well because the squeegee blades or cushion roller have never been changed?

• Do you think the pattern will be the same even if the cleaner tank filter is clogged and the Norprene cleaner tubing hasn’t been changed in over a year which results in half the amount of cleaner coming out (resulting in poor cleaning) and now you’re oiling on top of a film?

• Do you think the pattern will be the same even if the transfer brush has so much dirt in it that it keeps the oil in the transfer brush an extra 6 feet down the lane?



Many factors will make a pattern play different from center to center but often one of the biggest is the physical condition of the machine itself. Stay up with the maintenance of the parts that commonly wear out (squeegee blades, buffer brush, cushion rollers, etc.), keep the machine clean, and your lane condition will be more consistent from week to week and month to month.





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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 07:34:37 AM »
A lot of the "ball death" people see after just 50-60 games is just a case of the coverstock getting worn down and tracked up from friction, which causes the ball to roll earlier and create less angle downlane. Then if they try to resurface the ball, they usually don't get the same exact finish the ball had on it before and it, again, rolls smoother and doesn't quite hook as strongly. Finding a ball surface that works for you from the start can help minimize the difference you see, or just learn how to recreate the box finish as closely as possible (there's a great thread over in the Storm forums about getting a Nano back to the box finish for example) instead of just going straight up through all the grits at high speed on a spinner with a lot of pressure.

 

Alas, after enough games and oil absorption, sometimes a ball just isn't going to react like it did on day one. My Storm Gravity Shift is this way. It's got too many games to count on it by this point, and it's been sanded and soaked in hot water and cleaned a bajillion times. It just doesn't snap off the spot like it used to anymore. A few boards weaker and much smoother off the spot. That being said, this ball is hardly "dead." It's still extremely useful when I need to control the backend on a shorter oil pattern like Cheetah/Boardwalk/etc. and still knocks pins down quite well.



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Re: How Many Games B4 the Reaction Disappears?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 11:26:25 AM »
i have only had one case of ball death and it was cause i didnt clean it correctly. I have 3 or 4 balls out of my 6  have well over 500 games each and not one have seen reaction dissapear. 
Proper cleaning and maintenace it will last a long time! 


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