At the same surface, I've found that the DDT and Phaze II hook the same number of boards.  However, the DDT starts hooking earlier but is lazier on the back end than the Phaze II.  The DDT is quintessential smooth while the Phaze II has back end punch not found in too many symmetrical solids.

Ultimately, there are times when either/or is the better choice.  However, you cannot step down or step up to either/or.  The ball motions are too dissimilar.   

Quote from: 2handedrook12 on November 08, 2017, 05:57:12 PM

Quote from: northface28 on November 08, 2017, 01:27:08 PM

Quote from: AlonzoHarris on November 08, 2017, 10:55:07 AM

Quote from: northface28 on November 08, 2017, 10:40:22 AM

You already have a Phaze II.

I was thinking of complementing it with a Dare Devil Trick or similar symmetric for times when the Phaze II is checking too hard off the spot still. My solid asym is currently a BW Red Legend Solid 20 x 4 x 70 P3 hole.

You have about 3 balls that would fit better than a DDT.

Not a fan of the DDT, Northface?

It’s a great ball, just not what I’d reach for if moving off a Phaze II.

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on November 09, 2017, 09:38:51 AM

I'd echo this and what northface said.  DDT and Phaze 2 are shape differences, neither is a step down or up to the other, they're about as equal on total hook as two balls can be.  The IQ Tour Solid would be more of a true step down, and you already have one of those it appears.  I really don't think there's a need for anything in between, or even a reasonable gap between the two to try and fit something. 

Quote from: LookingForALeftyWall on November 09, 2017, 08:51:23 AM

At the same surface, I've found that the DDT and Phaze II hook the same number of boards.  However, the DDT starts hooking earlier but is lazier on the back end than the Phaze II.  The DDT is quintessential smooth while the Phaze II has back end punch not found in too many symmetrical solids.

Ultimately, there are times when either/or is the better choice.  However, you cannot step down or step up to either/or.  The ball motions are too dissimilar.   

Thanks everyone! DDT will be passed on.

Quote from: northface28 on November 08, 2017, 08:36:22 PM

Quote from: 2handedrook12 on November 08, 2017, 05:57:12 PM

Quote from: northface28 on November 08, 2017, 01:27:08 PM

Quote from: AlonzoHarris on November 08, 2017, 10:55:07 AM

Quote from: northface28 on November 08, 2017, 10:40:22 AM

You already have a Phaze II.

I was thinking of complementing it with a Dare Devil Trick or similar symmetric for times when the Phaze II is checking too hard off the spot still. My solid asym is currently a BW Red Legend Solid 20 x 4 x 70 P3 hole.

You have about 3 balls that would fit better than a DDT.

Not a fan of the DDT, Northface?

It’s a great ball, just not what I’d reach for if moving off a Phaze II.

nf28,

What would be your suggestions...hoping I already have one of your recommendations

Quote from: HackJandy on November 09, 2017, 11:21:49 AM

As Mo P likes to remind people all balls are asym after being drilled.  Just realized you can easily get any symmetric ball with the right drilling up to .02 to .025 int diff especially if add a double thumb hole.  That is route I am taking on my Venom Shock as already have an IQ Tour drilled fairly mild to fall back on.  I may end up retroactively putting a double thumb on several balls I already have drilled.  Drilling really helps those of us on the ends of the spectrum as far as speed (me) or rev dominant imo.  Added that far too late to my game.  Oh well.

Double Thumb= Double Flare for me personally. The ball flares too much and im stuck with a ball ill rarely use.