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normy

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Straighter
« on: August 25, 2009, 09:11:19 AM »
The saying goes straighter is greater correct? If that statement was indeed correct why is it that all the best selling balls are the hook monsters? Why do I always see threads here about how to increase revs? I have never seen a thread where someone wanted to decrease thier revs.

 I guess my main question is does that statement only apply to sport/pro shots? Or does that include house shots?

 

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Re: Straighter
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2009, 05:47:40 PM »
IMPO its true on real patterns but not anymore on house shots the big hook creates more power and carry when it hits the pockets but most of those bowlers lack in accuracy and control. on todays easier patterns a guy with a ton of hand and speed can spray and pray and average 215 220 but you take that same bowlers and place him with a 215 220 guy who throws up the lanes and place them on a shot that requires shot repition majority of the time the straiter guy will win. so yeah and no that comment is true it depends on accuacy and carry not style in my opinion and before a tick people off notice i did say your normal spray and pray bowler not all big hook bowlers some are very accurate so in that case its all about carry.i bowl 3 leagues i bowl one i bowl up the boards, one i bowl towards the middle, the last i throw a very aggresive bigger hook and while the big hook i average a bit higher only 2-3 pins the up the boards league i have a more steady scoring pattern so

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Re: Straighter
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2009, 06:09:43 PM »
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The saying goes straighter is greater correct?


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If that statement was indeed correct why is it that all the best selling balls are the hook monsters?


 Because nobody learns HOW to hook a "normal" bowling ball anymore. Everyone just wants to go out and get the latest "hook-in-a-box" and have it drilled for them to do what they wish, regardless of their lack of skill or knowledge.

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Why do I always see threads here about how to increase revs? I have never seen a thread where someone wanted to decrease thier revs.


 Because revs=power, very few will EVER want to decrease their rev rate, especially given that many never really learn how to apply revs and those that do learn how to use them in the process of developing them.

 
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I guess my main question is does that statement only apply to sport/pro shots? Or does that include house shots?


  I would have to say that your initial question applies far more to tough, demanding conditions than it does to a THS. On most THS's, you are allowed to move left ( or right if you're a lefty ), then "grip-it-and-rip-it", which makes revs ( and big "hook-monster" balls ) very popular.
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Re: Straighter
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2009, 06:31:50 PM »
Once the lanes are burnt, what's the difference between a THS and a sport shot? I have not bowled on all of the different patterns, but on the ones that I have bowled on, once the lanes start breaking down, I don't see much difference. The shot is hard, whether its due to carry down, burnt heads, mids or some combination. The same for many house shots that put down low volumes of oil.

I think that lane condition controls. The tougher the lane conditions, the more the advantage is to bowlers that don't have to cover the lane to carry and score --- straighter is greater.
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Re: Straighter
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2009, 06:43:44 PM »
straighter is better on sport shots when they are fresh then when they break down you can move a bit further inside and eventually get even further inside.

this is why you can see guys like Fagan playing inside early in telecasts not just because of their monstrous revs but because in practice they mainly focus on building a spot to "bank it off".

this is also why the us open has mainly been won by power players (nobody even bother to argue because its true) because they can move left where ther is fresh oil when the lanes break down there is more dry at the breakpoint. the more dry at that breakpoint gives miss left (as they are furthur left than normal) and miss right (as there is tracks from other players).

you probably see people asking more about increasing revs than decreasing revs because most find it very simple to decrease rev rate.

hopefully i helped and didn't confuse many people

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Re: Straighter
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2009, 06:47:15 PM »
"I like to play straight because it makes the condition irrelevant"
Walter Ray Williams Jr.

Being that he was the only bowler to ever be in the top 5 in average on all the patterns seems to verify that "staighter is greater" because you are never locked out.
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Re: Straighter
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2009, 07:00:20 PM »
Straighter is Greater...... Yes and no.

This really depends on the bowler, lane conditions, the house in somecases.

I used to be a high rev big cranker kind of guy. Was this way for several year's. 18 until about 26 or so year's old I would have all kind's of revs and ball speed. I'd have my good day's and my bad day's. Accuracy was my problem with the big hook. Finally I took a complete summer and down graded my bowling learning how to lose revs on the ball. 2 year's to fully convert and rebiuld my accuracy. 3 year's ago I averaged 216 for a season with the straighter is greater game I rebiult myself on. I am more accurate now then I've ever been in my bowling career. Im still not as accurate as I should be but my bowling has been alot better then with a big ole hook. I can still hook it if I wanted too but choose not to.
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Re: Straighter
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2009, 08:08:38 PM »
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The saying goes straighter is greater correct? If that statement was indeed correct why is it that all the best selling balls are the hook monsters? Why do I always see threads here about how to increase revs? I have never seen a thread where someone wanted to decrease thier revs.

 I guess my main question is does that statement only apply to sport/pro shots? Or does that include house shots?


As a few have said, ball type and revs are completely different animals.  For Sport and PBA conditions, some bowlers need bigger hooking balls to be able to play the lanes where they need to so they can score.

For league bowlers, the big hooking balls are more often than not bought by people with lower than tour quality revs, which they need to be able to hook it. You have to hook it on a house shot to score well.
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Re: Straighter
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2009, 11:21:06 PM »
So basically everyone is saying to be versatile is the key. Which I agree with 100%. So another question. Would you rather be a high rev versatile player or low rev versatile player? The biggest question to me is why?

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Re: Straighter
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2009, 02:49:46 AM »
I am with Juggernaut, who put it very well. Many players think that the more expensive the ball, the more it hooks and the higher the results, and a big hook always looks as if you'd know what you are doing. This is esopecially true on THS with dry of buffed outside shots, from where any ball will recover. Since you face this condition frequently, there are many "aah.."s and "ooh.."s about a ball's performance, esp. in reviews.

On the other side, I find it amusing to watch mediocre players with matte oil balls in training on ridden THS conditions. No hand, ball spins down the lane (but makes a curve), and it hits like a wet noodle because it is DEAD. Noone will ever post such an experience ina review or here as a user impression, because it shows the user's inability to judge the own game, equipment and condition. This is niot to bash someone, just to get the perspective right.

And, finally, there is a huge difference between a "Hollywood" big hook and an effective ball that goes through skid/hook/roll transition on the lanes.

And about revs... I think that only few people face the rev surplus problem - because when you have developed some sound revs, you should be able to alter your game to take power out of your release on purpose, or know how to tame down your game through other adjustments. If you really complain about too much revs, I think that it is a sign of overall game deficiency, e .g. lack of speed or simply a release flaw.

revs in themselves create power, but you need control and en effective ball reaction (see above) to build a steady game that makes you competitive on various conditions, and not just home turf.
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Re: Straighter
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2009, 08:48:27 AM »
Becaause any ball that comes out that doesnt hook more than the last ball doesn't sell very well cause the average joe bowler doesnt understand the straighter is greater cocept. Also on a THS for the average bowler it really doesnt matter tourneys though you gotta know how to play straight at some point
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Re: Straighter
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2009, 08:54:08 AM »
Personally when i hear that statement I am usually hearing it associated with spare shooting.

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Re: Straighter
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2009, 11:14:18 AM »
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Personally when i hear that statement I am usually hearing it associated with spare shooting.


Norm Duke and Walter Ray Williams use the straighter is greater theroy when bowling on T.V. for the first ball and second ball situations
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