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TheSquirrel

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Summer league averages will go in book!
« on: May 26, 2010, 06:52:09 AM »
Below is what is on the USBC website
http://www.bowl.com/news/xmlburner.jsp?xa=./webapps/ROOT/news/main/data/050110AnnualMeetingFinal.xml

Amendment No. TR2 (Approved)
Rule 319a. Conditions that Apply
Treats all averages, including summer averages the same.

Someone had mentioned to me that summer league averages would be added to the local association yearbooks.  I think that is ridiculous because they are about 10-12 week leagues.  This will only promote people to average lower in summer! I know the intent was for people to have to use the higher averages they carry in the summer, but with minimal games in the summer that is part of the reason why people average higher! I don't sandbag, but if end up carrying 230+ in summer I may not be able to get into some local leagues next year! I believe this will create major controversies and they are truly punishing bowlers who decide to bowl all season.  I am voting for our league to end after 6 weeks and then start a new league for another 6 games, or just not be sanctioned next year.  Please let me know your thoughts and concerns.......when it starts, nobody knows!

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kidlost2000

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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2010, 08:31:31 AM »
I guess it can help with sand bagging

Local bowler got in his minimum games the last few seasons and is bowling in a summer league using a plastic ball. Some one with most of their honor scores shot at PBA regionals is not what you want to see at a tournament going off of a 180 book average. Would a tournament re-rate you if they knew you were a former sponsored PBA player with a 180 average?
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9andaWiggle

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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2010, 08:36:02 AM »
This is a great tool for the sandbagger looking to maximize his/her profits.  Instead of having to bowl a 36 week league, he can now just bowl a 12 week summer "hav-a-ball" league where nobody will be the wiser about his 150 avg.  With the money he will save in weekly league dues, he will be able to clean up in more tourneys and bracket pots at those tourneys.  His income from winnings will go up, and his expenditures to get an average will go down.  Plus he'll get a free ball at the end of the league.  Sweet deal if you ask me.

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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2010, 10:24:38 AM »
I am a fan of this approval due to the fact that my current summer league is just as competitive if not more with scoring, money, and league-size as any fall/winter league with just less weeks.
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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2010, 05:05:06 PM »
Another flawed rule instituted by an out of touch association.
This will simply give bowlers a reason to elect not to sanction the high roller summer leagues so no scores need be reported.
I will continue to use my summer father/son fun league to work with my son and experiment with my game. This league gets whatever oil happens to be left on the lane and I often can barely keep plastic from going coast to coast. This allows me to work on my deep inside 'C' game without bagging.
Now I will benefit from my lower summer 'work in progress' average used to lower my composite for fall league qualification.
Well thought out USBC.

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glssmn2001

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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2010, 06:50:16 PM »
In reading that the rule falls under the Tournament rule category and not the league rule category.
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J_w73

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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2010, 08:27:47 PM »
quote:
In reading that the rule falls under the Tournament rule category and not the league rule category.


I was just going to post this.. Summer league averages are valid for use in tournaments.
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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2010, 10:54:27 PM »
I am still debating how to handle this in my tournament rules. In the past I just did not use summer averages. I may consider using them if no other average exists or maybe doing some over average rule. Maybe if your summer is 20 pins higher than winter you must use your summer, something along those lines. The bowler who only bowls summer and bags it will only get away with it once. I do watch averages and will rerate if appropriate. Doesn't happen that oftern though. I have also banned or forced bowlers out that the average manipulation is obvious. This rule change would not change my attention to those details and won't affect our league rules either.
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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2010, 11:21:11 PM »
We tried summer leagues last year without sanctions.  It allows anyone to bowl including youth and adults more for fun.  2 years in a row the center has had a full league (16 teams)4 per team.  Don't like unsanctioned leagues myself, but I know of 2 teams this year were guys I bowl with are bowling with there girl friends who are 1st time bowlers.  I'd like to see more ladies bowl our mixed leagues were down this year and some leagues are going to 3 and 1 lineups just to get enough to fill a league.  It also gives older youth bowlers ability to bowl versus some family and friends without being penalized.  I thought all sanctioned summer leagues counted as offical usbc  averages as long if you had 21 games no matter if your assocation allowed it or not.  If you don't want sandbaggers bowl scratch and sport leagues.
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kidlost2000

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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2010, 11:54:35 PM »
So if you have a fall average in 09-10 and a summer average in 2010 Does that count as your last two years average, or is it your last two seasons average? SO you have a fall league as one season and a summer league as a second season.

If it counts a fall and a summer as your past two years or seasons for book average then it would be easier to lower you average for the following calendar year.

Hope that made sense.
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toomanytenpins

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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2010, 07:55:50 AM »
how many games in a league do you have to have to qualify for average? 30 40 what?
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toomanytenpins

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Re: Summer league averages will go in book!
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2010, 07:58:18 AM »
Oh,and wouldn't this promote sandbagging more,or even decrease participation in summer leagues. At the very least more people will probably not sanction,which will cause the usbc to go further down on its revenues.
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