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slickboobie

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wrist devices
« on: January 06, 2004, 07:08:15 PM »
I've decided to use a wrist device to keep my wrist in the proper positon during delivery and was wondering which devices do other bowlers use, which one do you like, or dislike and why.

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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2004, 02:45:38 PM »
Leftside: After watching a video of you bowl, I'm surprised you ever felt a need to try a device. You have a natural 'cup and collapse' release, so a brace would only set you back. Whoever allowed you to put one on should be arrested for junior bowler endangerment.

As far as a device "doing a good part of the job for you", you're using the wrong mechanics if this is happening, and you're not getting the results you might think.

A device does not magically get you around the ball properly with the proper exit timing and follow through force. The comes directly from developing optimal release timing that is neither too early nor too late. With proper mechanics, the brace should do nothing more than assist with wrist stability that can't otherwise be achieved.

Along these lines, I once read an article (should have saved it) that described Pete Weber's experience with a Cobra when they hired him as a spokesman years ago. His comments were to the effect that "the device really didn't do anything to his release". And that's precisely the point. The brace should simply assist already well developed mechanics -- not attempt to 'create' them (because it can't).

I've seen legions of mediocre bowlers (i.e. poorly developed mechanics) put a brace on, get more revs because the ball is simply being forced off their hand with the same lousy techniques, and declare that the device has taken them to the next level. Self delusion is a wonderful thing, and many of these folks undoubtedly post here.

We are in agreement that a wrist device should only be worn for a good reason. However, I still maintain that to adequately evaluate the plus/minus of wrist brace usage, you have to have gone though all phases of developing your game bare wristed, then use various braces over the course of several years, and finally step back and evaluate without emotional baggage cost/benefit of usage one way or another. Hence my statement that you quoted.
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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2004, 03:00:06 PM »
I use the Pro Release and will continue to do so.  I do not use it for any medical reason - I use it because I am comfortable using it.  I do not have professional aspirations...I just want to enjoy myself, be competitive wherever I choose to compete, and continue to learn.  They have not yet invented a wrist brace that makes a bowler, only ones that offer assistance to those that either need it or want it.  As long as it is legal, it is quite acceptable and should not be discouraged.  If they come up with one that automatically makes you better, it will sell and sell fast.  

no1bucsfan is entitled to his opinion -  nothing wrong with being idealistic, but bowling is what it is.  I applaud you for your efforts and motivation, but what is best for you (or me) is not necessarily best for everyone else.  Enjoy yourself and stop worrying about what anyone else is doing.
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slickboobie

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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2004, 03:28:12 PM »
Thank everyone for their opinions on this topic, no I don't need a brace for a medical condition I currently use a pro grip by columbia(maybe not the correct name) the kind with the metal bar inside and I'm tired of adjusting and bending that metal bar and thought that a brace with different wrist adjustments would be the next step to take.  Most of the higher average(200+ I'm currently 193) bowlers in the houses that I bowl use one and I never heard anyone complain about them using them, I didn't know that this topic would generate such heated responses but I'm glad it did it also provided a lot of useful information.  Again thanks for a great discussion.

Slick

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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2004, 03:38:42 PM »
I just read bowlingkid's post about his tendonitis. I was going to send this in a PM, but instead decided to post it here...


Get yourself to a doctor pronto. I speak from experience - and I now have to use a master wrist brace with the 4 inch wrist support, and an elbow band, and I can't do some of the things to the ball that I really want to do.

You're young, and your tendonitis MIGHT heal up with rest and treatment. but get it checked out, get some physical therapy, and get it fixed. Otherwise, when you get to be my age, you'll have to worry about all the younguns coming up behind you who don't have a frail wrist.  My single tendonitis has turned into several (5 or 6) in my right arm because I thought I could work through it. I can't...

Here's what I use:
http://www.bowling.com/display.asp?SKU=58r

I've tried the dial-a-hook braces thinking it would help me through this injury. Although I've only thrown a few shots with them, I can tell you that in my case, they seem to make it worse. The constant, gentle support I get from this brace seems to fit me perfectly. Oh, yeah. I don't use the metal support - I use 3 different thicknesses of rigid plastic that I'd gotten with another brace. It's hard to bend, but not impossible - and it doesn't cut into my arm.


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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2004, 03:43:33 PM »
In my last job, and a little in this one, I spent a lot of time typing things on a computer keyboard, which left my wrists a bit weak for bowling.  For years I used a Robby's Original (and a leather one), but after the leather one fell apart I talked to my pro shop guy here in Madison.  He wears a Pro Grip, made by Columbia, that is a brace, but the brace is in BACK of the hand/wrist, which still allows me to comfortable change my hand position.  I am not going to lie, the glove portion for some reason helps increase my rev rate.  Whether it is just mental or not, I have been more comfortable over the last month and a half with this brace than the Robby's I was using.
I tried bowling without a brace, and I dropped the ball a lot.

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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2004, 03:45:44 PM »
Mumzie, I have had tendonitis in my elbows for about 3 years so I know pretty much what to do, but if you didnt notice I said "I THINK its tendonitis", I might have just strained it bowling to much. I was thinking about going tonight and only throw maybe a game or to with my lighter ball. If my wrist feels ok I'll throw a 3rd. Just take it easy.
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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2004, 05:07:13 PM »
omegabowler, I guess i took what you said kinda personally and lost it a little bit. For that I again apologies. I am about as far from a JOCK as you can get. I am the true definition of an armchair quarterback. That is why I asked if it was for a medical condition. I agree with braces for medical purposes if someone wants to keep bowling and that is the only way they are able to I'm fine with that.

Again my response was mainly for those, like myself, that aren't the best bowlers, and are looking for a quick way to get better.

Joe Cool, I agree with you 100% that we are all entitled to our opinions, but if I just worried baout myself, then I could not state my opinion now could I? lol.

Like Ragnar said, using a brace all the time when it isn't neccessary will cause your wrist get weak, and take away the ability to bowl without it. If that's not a crutch I don't know what is.


Slick, if you want a brace, then by all means go by one. It doesn't make a difference to me if anyone uses them or not. I do know though that when I shoot the best game in my life, whenever that may be, that I will have done it 100% myself, and that's what matters to me, and me alone.
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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2004, 05:07:44 PM »
omegabowler, I guess i took what you said kinda personally and lost it a little bit. For that I again apologies. I am about as far from a JOCK as you can get. I am the true definition of an armchair quarterback. That is why I asked if it was for a medical condition. I agree with braces for medical purposes if someone wants to keep bowling and that is the only way they are able to I'm fine with that.

Again my response was mainly for those, like myself, that aren't the best bowlers, and are looking for a quick way to get better.

Joe Cool, I agree with you 100% that we are all entitled to our opinions, but if I just worried about myself, then I could not state my opinion now could I? lol.

Like Ragnar said, using a brace all the time when it isn't neccessary will cause your wrist get weak, and take away the ability to bowl without it. If that's not a crutch I don't know what is.


Slick, if you want a brace, then by all means go by one. It doesn't make a difference to me if anyone uses them or not. I do know though that when I shoot the best game in my life, whenever that may be, that I will have done it 100% myself, and that's what matters to me, and me alone.
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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2004, 08:11:09 PM »
Bucsfan,

Have you tried a wrist brace? If so, what happened?

If braces were a crutch then you should be able to throw one on & instantly shoot 20-30 pins higher. I can tell you that this is simply not the case. One of the bowlers on my team wanted to try out my revsII jsut to see what it was like. He shot a 157 (he's a 197 avg bowler). It wasn't a coincidence, he shot another game for a stunning 142.

Using a brace is simply another way to bowl. It's no different from a person preferring to be a cranker over a stroker, neither is a wrong way to bowl, they're just different styles.

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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2004, 11:27:28 PM »
Amen Bjaardker
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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2004, 07:51:28 AM »
Bjaardker
 I said in an earlier post that I tried one and it made a significant improvement in the series of games I shot with it. JUst the fact that it made sure my release was the same every time. IF I can't learn to do that without the brace I don't need to bowl. To me, and in my opinion, the brace is a crutch that should be used for medical reasons only, not because your to lazy to learn to throw a proper ball. If you know how to bowl, and then use a brace, fine, but if you just learning to bowl, like me, and start using a brace, then you aren't learning anything.
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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2004, 08:09:48 AM »
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I just read bowlingkid's post about his tendonitis. I was going to send this in a PM, but instead decided to post it here...Get yourself to a doctor pronto.


As a former sufferer of tendinitis (playing racquetball with my son), I also say see a doctor.  My anchor bowler on my team has been complaining of a sore elbow for a while, and saw the doctor yesterday.  She has medial epicondylitis.  That's tendinitis in the lower half of your arm.  The doctor now has her on prednisone (a corticosteroid)to help reduce inflammation.  The doctor also recommended the RICE technique

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As for me, I continued to bowl, but wore a Band-It to help relieve the pressure on my elbow.  I took last summer off and I'm completely healed.  The only remaining problem is that when the weather changes, I have a nice barometer in my elbow now

Here's a link to the pic of the elbow brace I'm wearing.

http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/wristsupport_gloves/robby/band-it.shtml

I wear a Robby's Plus when I bowl mainly to help with fatigue since I type for a living.
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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2004, 09:56:09 AM »
Reading through these threads it seems the majority of users have to justify why they use them. Why?  Whether you were injured or not it is your personal preference if you decide to try one.

 Do we “make” excuses (I’m going to get slammed for that remark) for using a certain ball, shoe, or target? No, so why on wrist braces.

 Do we feel less than average to the BR members that we have too justify the use? As my signature states, it makes me feel better. This in turn helps me BOWL better and isn’t that the point?

 Knock down more that your opponent is the goal. If I felt comfortable using a house ball and rental shoes that’s what I would use. I don’t look down on the bowlers who do or don’t use a wrist brace. I’m still out there to beat them, aren’t you?

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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2004, 01:19:29 PM »
Leftside: In a pure sense you're right -- wrist braces are 'crutches', although I'm not comfortable with the total implications of that specific word. I prefer the phrase 'bowling aid' because I believe it's more accurate.

Along these lines, do finger inserts fall into the category of crutch? What about thumb inserts? Both of these enhancements allow many to release a ball in a way that they could not do otherwise.


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Re: wrist devices
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2004, 01:32:05 PM »
Interesting point on the grips, Steven.  My point is if it is legal, why the problem.