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WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« on: November 16, 2009, 12:47:07 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a08qTyW-vs&feature=related

I saw this On youtube I think is bad for bowling.

Why just add an iphone app and let the bowlers change their score at anytime.

Maybe thats how RM bowl 5 - 900 in 2 days

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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2009, 09:06:57 PM »
This is not good, how easy do they want to make it?

  Is this really legal in the USBC?
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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2009, 09:23:28 PM »
Easy enough to counteract.  Remove the voids in the bowling pins and make their center of gravity lower.  An extra 4 ounces or so across the board will slow scores down some.

I agree, this item looks like it should have been banned.  Not sure why you need that, you can make scoring easy enough just by altering oil patterns.
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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2009, 09:24:45 PM »
Wow, that's just ridiculous lol.  He just drops it and its bouncing back into his face.  

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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2009, 10:00:13 PM »
Nothing new under the sun. This was publicized a short while ago.

Same crap with the Kegel side boards and the low height gutters in 95% of the high scoring houses for many years now.

Install regulation gutters and sorbothane sideboards so that pins don't bounce 10 feet in the air every time a ball passes near them and you'll restore some integrity to scoring and p*ss off a whole bunch of people whose average would be 180 but is actually 210 in the books!
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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2009, 10:12:32 PM »
When you See things like this its not hard to see why we struggle so badly when it comes to bowling getting the recognition we would like it to.

I like bowling a good score as much as the next person but it means zero if you don't feel you have earned it. I myself have always got more satisfaction out of a "decent" game/set in a tough house or on a tough pattern than I have from a huge score in an easy house or on a wall shot.

How I long for the days when a 200 average and a 300/700+ meant something.


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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2009, 06:21:45 AM »
This is just what we need to combat these horribly difficult house patterns... What a joke.
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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2009, 06:45:37 AM »
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im sure chackos has these to help the scores there.....
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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2009, 06:54:38 AM »
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I like it......

Honestly, I''''''''m tired of grinding it out every night trying to get the right entry angle to carry corners while the no thumbers spray it all over the place and carry eggbeaters.  

I used to get upset about "easy" patterns .... I have come to realize that all patterns can be easy when you have the right piece of equipment in your hand .. this game is ALL about equipment.  You cannot outbowl bad ball reaction no matter how good you are.  Us mere mortals can only tweak the release and speed so much ... the ball is going to to what it is going to do.

If that wasn''''''''t the case, then we would all still be carrying single or double bags with Hammers and Yellow Dots....which might not be a bad idea. Not to sound like an old fart but if you want to talk about "good" bowlers then look to the guy averaging 210 with his Blue Hammer at mutiple houses in 1984.


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+1, i totally agree about the blue hammer in 1984. that was real bowling, man i miss those days. i miss being the only one inside of 15 because of my rev rate. back when a higher rev rate was an advantage, not a dis-advantage.
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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2009, 07:22:20 AM »
Even though the meaning will be lost here, but the Blue Hammer didn't come out until 1989.

My only gripe with the game is the backpedal that the then ABC did with the System of Bowling. The SOB was the proposal that started the minimum of three units on every board. What the SOB also stated was that no new ball coming out would be permitted to outhook what they considered the hookingist ball on the market, Faball's blue Hammer. ABC was able to sell the BPAA on this, but then they let the ball manufacturers create the Excalbur and they passed it!

I don't fault the ball companies for building a "better mousetrap". I fault the leadership of the sport for failing to put there foot down. The ball companies are always looking to improve there product and marketshare.
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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2009, 07:45:03 AM »
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Unfortunatly you''''re a small percentage and I''''m the same way, I''''d rather average 200-210 on a tough shot and be high average than average 230 and not even be on the average board.  That''''s not the case for a majority of league bowlers.  Some people say it but few mean it.  I''''ve never had someone come into my shop before league and say "man I hope they''''re challenging tonight".  I almost always hear "I hope they''''re better than last week, I had to move an arrow left."  An arrow left too much?  5 boards really?  I''''m not saying I agree with the bouncing pins all over the place but I don''''t think the scoring is the problem.  I''''ve seen people get pretty pissed of when they don''''t score like they think they should.  Also, and I could be wrong with this, if scoring was the problem then why haven''''t sport shot leagues taken over?  I''''ve been bowling in them for 6-7 years now and they''''re not gettin much bigger.  Most of them in my area are only getting the bowlers they are because they get two balls when they join.(that didnt sound right).  If the beers are cold, lane waitresses are sexy and people can roll a handful of strikes they''''re happy.  This was a pretty pointless rant and I apologize but I''''m tired.  Point is this: if I had these things installed in our place we''''d hurt the centers next to us because the only thing my center lacks is good carry.  The more I read my own post the more I realize...I shouldn''''t post this late at night.
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The reason why sports shots have not taken over because like you say most bowlers just want to bowl a shed load of strikes and that''s it. A lot of bowlers talk about wanting to improve but they are not willing to forgo big scores for while in order to do so.

An example of this was last week at my "local" (takes me 2 hours to get there) house. I was watching the league bowl and after it finished I noticed an advertisement for a new scratch league, so I asked a couple of people I knew if they were going to join. A friend of mine who I think is a silver level coach and talks about wanting to improve says:-

"Well I would join, but not if they are going to put down any kind of tough/sport/PBA pattern as I can''t bowl on them".

That sums up perfectly the stance of most bowlers. Until all houses put down tougher patterns, bowlers will just move to those houses that lay down a wall shot which gives them all they want, which is big scores regardless of whether they were "earned" or not.
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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 09:24:58 AM »
Yay, another method of taking away the skill from bowling!  As if the game hadn't gotten easy enough.  What a joke...
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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2009, 09:33:27 AM »
wow that cand be actually usbc legal
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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2009, 09:30:44 PM »
Guys, all the WAHSAM is, is a brace under the flat gutter to support it. You can get the very same effect by standing up a 2x4 under the gutter. You just have to be exact with your measurements before you cut the board. This thing takes the guesswork/carpentry out of it, nothing more.

The reason it's legal is probably very simple: How would you know a brace of some kind WASN'T there? The only way you could tell would be to have volunteer lane inspectors start tearing the flat gutters out of every lane to check and make sure -- and then the proprietor could just re-install them after the inspectors left. Think about that for a minute.

If you want to get pissed off about the goings-on in the pit, ban the super-hot kick boards. You can actually see those things in plain view. But an enterprising proprietor with a can of spray paint in his hand could probably fool you anyway.

Plenty of houses have had "WAHSAMs" for years. They're called supports under the gutter. It's a tempest in a teapot.

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Re: WSHSAM - wtf - this not good for bowling
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2009, 09:37:27 PM »
I don't know if this is the same product or not, but I think this has been out for a few years already. I know I have heard about them awhile back. Never the less, they are not needed. Maybe if you could have the option of when to use them,(automatic bumper system) then that would be cool. I understand that most are just out to strike and have fun, but it frustrates the heII out of me.
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