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Djarum

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Youth Awards: covering the cost
« on: September 10, 2013, 11:12:37 AM »
First off, lets not turn this into how "easy" the game is discussion.

http://thedailynewsonline.com/sports/article_2d39f1fa-a26c-11e2-b603-001a4bcf887a.html


So I was informed that our local usbc association is going up 2 dollards for adults to cover the cost of youth awards. While I've always thought the patches were a little old school, at least it was something.

Now, on the face of it, it seems like a good idea to have the local association come up with what is best for local youth bowlers. The potential problem is, they might not do anything either. This could lead to youth bowlers not getting awards.

The next question I have to ask is, where is the national sanctioning money going for youth bowlers? As far as I know, it costs the same. If the burden is now on the local association, then at the very least the national sanction fee should go down for youth bowlers.

Lastly, our association has decided to add the costs of the awards into adult sanction fees. Its only a few bucks, but I have to question the motives of the USBC. While it may seem like a good idea for local associations to handle it, the USBC isn't allocating its money for the awards.

If someone is more knowledgeable about what the exact stipulations are, I'd like to be more informed. At the very least, the national USBC should have to approve each local associations award program.


 

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Re: Youth Awards: covering the cost
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2013, 11:57:44 AM »
This would seem to be a decision strictly made by the local association. The national has left it up to locals if they want to continue patches or whatever for this season. So if there's a beef, take it up with the local association.

Now the question on where the youth sanctioning fees are going THIS year is a good one. No ols reward program effective immediately. No new program until next year. So where is this years money going?

I'm trying not to get too up in arms over the national decisions in this area until I see what the replacement is. I agree that the patches were generally disregarded by the kids and likely, in the grand scheme, a waste of money. But if the replacement package next year again relies heavily on free printable certificates (I.e., generic PDF files), then one has to start seriously questioning where money is going.

I guess your local association determined that the patch awards were necessary for the kids this year. Figured they could spread the cost among the adults instead of jacking up the kids and risk them dropping off. Now if at the end of the day they don't follow through, then you can rightfully question the local surcharge.
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Djarum

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Re: Youth Awards: covering the cost
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2013, 01:16:02 PM »
On your first point, the responsibilty still has to come at the national level. While they have dumped on the local association, its still called the United States Bowling Congress, not the local bowling congress. At the end of the day, they should be making sure that each local association has a plan in place, at the very least. If the don't and local associations do nothing, the USBC will see a decline in youth membership and maybe an increase in unsanctioned youth leagues. Our house is already talking about having an unsanctioned youth league.

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Re: Youth Awards: covering the cost
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2013, 03:53:04 PM »
I do know there is intention to reduce the membership fees for youth starting in 2014

http://www.bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=12884908779

Whether or not this increases membership or not is another question.

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Re: Youth Awards: covering the cost
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2013, 07:14:15 PM »
First off the Bowling center will have to contract a service with your local youth assoc. for a fee. National dues will be $4 next season with no set local or state dues. If there is no contract there will be no local youth assoc. because they will not have any income to support any programs. Know there is supposedly a email that was send out today by USBC that you cannot charge a youth more than $4. So if that the case who will provide the money for the additional service (The owner)?  Waiting on a clear answer know.   
      Know for the adult side they are dumping on assoc an there is several that have no room in the budget to even start a adult awards program. With out a local dues increase an that if you are not max out.  Plus you have to get any increase in local dues from your membership. The local board cannot just raise the dues without it membership approval. It is going to be a mess with a loss of membership for the adults and youth.

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Re: Youth Awards: covering the cost
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2013, 10:59:45 AM »
I do know there is intention to reduce the membership fees for youth starting in 2014

http://www.bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=12884908779

Whether or not this increases membership or not is another question.

Thats good to know. I personally have no problem with spending more money for adult sanction to support the youth, but there are bowlers I know who just don't care about the youth. They only care about what they spend and get through their sanction dollars.

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Re: Youth Awards: covering the cost
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2013, 11:00:37 AM »
First off the Bowling center will have to contract a service with your local youth assoc. for a fee. National dues will be $4 next season with no set local or state dues. If there is no contract there will be no local youth assoc. because they will not have any income to support any programs. Know there is supposedly a email that was send out today by USBC that you cannot charge a youth more than $4. So if that the case who will provide the money for the additional service (The owner)?  Waiting on a clear answer know.   
      Know for the adult side they are dumping on assoc an there is several that have no room in the budget to even start a adult awards program. With out a local dues increase an that if you are not max out.  Plus you have to get any increase in local dues from your membership. The local board cannot just raise the dues without it membership approval. It is going to be a mess with a loss of membership for the adults and youth.

And this might explain why our local associate is going up on adult sanction fees.

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Re: Youth Awards: covering the cost
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2013, 12:51:27 PM »
What is the benefit for dropping youth sanction?  Is this going to magically make kids or their parents want them to participate beacuse of the lower fees?  I highly doubt it in my opinion.  Every other sport out there has a "registration" fee on top of any equipment needed to participate.  I print all the awards for our youth league at my center and basically the higher majority receive almost zero awards during the year.  So they receive the "free" jersey for their sanction fee.

On another note about the USBC....Did anyone happen to look at the "Welcome to Bowling" brochure they have?  Well here's the deal....They offer a performance level bowling ball for just $59.95 (these balls include names like the freeze, tropical breezes, etc)  well the person would have to get it drilled at a cost right?  But they (USBC) cut this HUGE deal with the brands participating...well wait a minute, my shop pays $57 for a freeze...wait did you catch that....look back over those prices again....My LITTLE pro shop pays $57 for a ball that USBC is peddling on new people for $59.95....Is it just me or isn't the consumer better off buying that ball from the pro shop for probably cheaper depending on the shops mark-up?

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Re: Youth Awards: covering the cost
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2013, 08:03:47 PM »
It's my understanding that next season the cost for sanction cards will be $4.00.
No shirt or awards.
What's the $4.00 for. A membership card?
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Re: Youth Awards: covering the cost
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2013, 08:55:13 AM »
It's my understanding that next season the cost for sanction cards will be $4.00.
No shirt or awards.
What's the $4.00 for. A membership card?

Maybe bonding the league? Obviously the money in youth leagues goes to trophies. Also whatever accounting that goes in to maintain book averages.

When I bowled youth almost 20 years ago with YABA, it was 10 bucks for sanctioning.

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Re: Youth Awards: covering the cost
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2013, 09:24:00 AM »
I talked to our association manager yesterday about this and she said they aren't going to sanction next year and do everything in-house. We have a church league that had a vote and most didn't want to sanction, but said they would this year and vote again next year whether to sanction or not. We're a small 20 lane center and most people that bowl leagues here, don't bowl tournaments. The few bowlers that do bowl in another larger association that sanctions. I think that we'll have fewer people that will want to sanction, but time will tell. Just my $.02, Bruce
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