I bought a new Ravage off ebay, 16 lb. The ball was drilled with the 3 3/8" pin sharp breakpoint drilling off the sheet. I used it on a fresh THS, on synthetics, and this is a very strong ball. It probably has the most aggressive backend of any ball I have used with this drilling. This ball tends to leave solid 8's, 9's, and splits because it flips soo hard and at such an extreme angle. I was told to take the shine off and go with a 2000 matte finish to tame it a little, but I'm going to try and learn to control it better first and see if I can't learn something. This is definitely a ball that will take some experience to use correctly, but I think it will be a potent weapon once I learn all the nuances about it.