The S&A showed up big for me again tonight as well. Started off with the AF, but it was coming in way to strong for me in the back ends. Switched over to my S&A which i have @320 grit with rough buff, moved left of the last dot and threw over the third arrow...and it did everything i needed. First game was a mere 170 with the AF, and finished with a 663. Had the first 8 in my third game. This ball will forever be one if the best ones I have ever owned.