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Equipment Boards => MoRich => Topic started by: BallsDeep on March 04, 2006, 10:57:57 AM

Title: Awesome Flip
Post by: BallsDeep on March 04, 2006, 10:57:57 AM
I've seen the product page, and I'll get it regardless, but does anyone know whether it has the exact same cover as the S&A.  I know it says pearl performance reactive, just like the S&A, but the listed name of the cover on the TS&A and TA was the same, yet there were tweeks.  Could the AF be a tweek of the cover used on the S&A, or could it be even more, perhaps using the Activator Advance as its base as opposed to the Activator +.
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: BallsDeep on March 05, 2006, 09:22:58 AM
Nobody has any good info?
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: KMAN300 on March 06, 2006, 12:48:41 PM
BUDDIESPROSHOP HAS SOME INFO
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/product.asp?id=3011
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: BallsDeep on March 06, 2006, 02:39:54 PM
Thanks for the replys, but my question cannot be found out by the info posted on morich's site or the stuff on buddies.  It is a more precise matter that perhaps only staffers or those very knowledgeable can answer.
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: snowman4951 on March 06, 2006, 04:03:58 PM
I hope this might help you better.

For all intents and purposes, it is a Pearl Reactive Version of Seek & Destroy. It has the same Pearl Reactive Cover (Performance Pearl Reactive) that Shock & Awe had, along with the same shaped core design (Vanguard with upper flip block) that Seek & Destroy had, except that the densities have been altered in each piece (inner shell, body, and flip block) to create a later, stronger, and more angular move. This is mostly what I know as I will have mine shortly.
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: BallsDeep on March 06, 2006, 04:12:04 PM
I know all about the core and such, my question relates to the coverstock.  I too thought that it is probably the same as the S&A, but were not completely sure.  If there is another person that shares my belief though, its probably right,thanks.
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: snowman4951 on March 06, 2006, 04:13:44 PM
This info is straight out of the horses mouth. 100% accurate.
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: BallsDeep on March 06, 2006, 06:56:35 PM
You mean that Mo told you that the Pearl Performance Reactive was not tweaked at all from the S&A to the AF.  I know the other stuff is right, its on the site, and the site is 100% correct.
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 07, 2006, 05:36:16 AM
I spoke w/ King of the mill on this the other day, he had said that HE wasn't 100% sure because he hasn't spoke w/ Mo in a while....(he's in Japan).  But I asked the same thing Ballsdeep, I was wondering if it wasn't Activator Advanced like on the Smokin' ?
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: tekneek on March 07, 2006, 11:04:17 AM
Called and ordered two from Mo yesterday .
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: track-atl on March 07, 2006, 09:19:15 PM
I spoke with Mo today.He told me that the cover on the AF is the same as the S&A.The core is a S&D that has been tweaked slightly.
Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: BallsDeep on March 08, 2006, 07:09:30 AM
Ok thanks track-atl, that answers my question.
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: BallsDeep on March 08, 2006, 07:30:25 AM
Just one more thing, more of a statement than a question.  I was thinking the other day, and I personally wasn't real pumped for the AF.  It seems to me like it really isn't much different than the S&A with these #'s, but I then thought about the WMB and the S&D and how the S&D has a vastly different breakpoint and reaction than the WMB with a nearly identical cover, and just core modifications.  I know that many believe that the skid flip reaction of the S&A is enough, that one doesn't really need more flip(The particle cover on the WMB made the flippier reaction of the S&D look more necessary and revolutionary). One must figure that perhaps the AF will have the most angular backend of any ball ever made for medium/heavy oil.  However there are many possibilities for this ball.  The areas outside of 5 on many patterns, out of bounds, can be opened up, and heavy carrydown that makes most balls seem to back up and leave weak tens may be conquered.  I nearly found myself dismissing the ball, but the upper flip cap should make the ball quite different than the S&A, and more importantly the reaction should be something never seen before.
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: VAbowler on March 08, 2006, 10:26:44 PM
If this ball was particle, it would be awesome
Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: 302efi on March 08, 2006, 10:32:12 PM
quote:
If this ball was particle, it would be awesome


Huh ???

We already have that with the Seek & Destroy.

When The Awesome Flip hittig the proshops ?
Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: ImmaculateL on March 10, 2006, 07:54:19 PM
bowlingball.com has the FLIP at 195 on their 'perfect scale' and the S&D is only 162.  That is a lot flippier
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: BallsDeep on March 10, 2006, 08:37:28 PM
First of all the scale does not measure filp, it measures "hook potential".  I don't mean to berrate you with commentary on how terrible that scale is, but just for informative purposes I will state some problems with the scale.  First off the scale measures hook potential, a relative term.  Hook potential differs vastly on different surfaces with different volumes of oil.  A Sahara can out hook a Total Shock and Awe if the lanes are a bit toasty, as the TS&A will burn up.  Hook in oil/hook in dry are better terms, they still aren't exact, but at least they address the lane condition.  
  Secondly, it seems as though they are ignorant to basic ball dynamics.  It is rather obvious that they do not take into account the differences in symmetrical/asymetrical core technology.  Assuming they are refering to hook in oil it is safe to say that there are major errors.  I will guarantee that the TS&A will out hook any Big B ball, any storm piece, or pretty much anything (hold a SCB or a rule GP2, and maybe a few others) on the market on a long, heavily oiled pattern with a drilling that offers maximum flare/early hook.  Yet the TS&A is lower than many balls on the scale.
*bad joke alert*  The scale is actually the imperfect scale
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: StormRoto on March 10, 2006, 09:23:37 PM
I received my 3 Awesome Flip's today and plan on drilling them up tomorrow when Mo calls with what layouts he wants me to use.  I will give a report when I get a chance to thow them.
Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: Slopsurprise on March 11, 2006, 08:16:47 AM
quote:
First of all the scale does not measure filp, it measures "hook potential".  I don't mean to berrate you with commentary on how terrible that scale is, but just for informative purposes I will state some problems with the scale.  First off the scale measures hook potential, a relative term.  Hook potential differs vastly on different surfaces with different volumes of oil.  A Sahara can out hook a Total Shock and Awe if the lanes are a bit toasty, as the TS&A will burn up.  Hook in oil/hook in dry are better terms, they still aren't exact, but at least they address the lane condition.  
  Secondly, it seems as though they are ignorant to basic ball dynamics.  It is rather obvious that they do not take into account the differences in symmetrical/asymetrical core technology.  Assuming they are refering to hook in oil it is safe to say that there are major errors.  I will guarantee that the TS&A will out hook any Big B ball, any storm piece, or pretty much anything (hold a SCB or a rule GP2, and maybe a few others) on the market on a long, heavily oiled pattern with a drilling that offers maximum flare/early hook.  Yet the TS&A is lower than many balls on the scale.
*bad joke alert*  The scale is actually the imperfect scale
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: laner7pin on March 11, 2006, 08:32:54 AM
We will be receiving ours here at the shop the last week in March near the 30th. Also I heard rumor that Mo himself will be here on the 10th of April not sure if he is doing his usual instruction with all bowlers who sign up or if he is just here to work with Scott (maybe me too if I get out of work). can get more info on that later. From what I here though, the core is shaped the same as the Seek and Destroy only the densities are tweaked, and the cover is the performance pearl, same as the Shock and Awe (Activator + if I remember correctly).

Laner
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Title: Re: Awesome Flip
Post by: BallsDeep on March 11, 2006, 04:55:11 PM
I don't know, I've never thrown a gp2, but whenever there is a "flood ball" thread, it always comes up.
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