Author Topic: I'm so impressed with Morich cores and their high revvin move...but (Read 1510 times)

LuckyLefty · « **on:** September 18, 2005, 02:49:04 PM »

Morich gurus!

I've recently drilled two Morich balls. Sahara...oh I think this could be so fine! Drilled 5 1/2 X 3 Pin up 2 3/4 (instant roll or forward roll drill).

This ball revs so hard....gets great length and then moves forward at the breakpoint and MOSTLY...leaves buckets!

Morich Ravage. Drilled 5 1/2 X 5 1/4 pin up 1 3/4. This ball revs so hard and then at the break point sort of goes forward...leaving mostly.....buckets! Note strong mass bias position!

My impression...these balls rev VERY hard and yet don't seem to be rolled out.
Where I have several balls with similar pin positions (ie Supercharge and a Hyde) Both have pins above the bridge and turn hard laterally and wipe out the pocket when they turn sharply right..for this lefty.

And I'm known as a sharp backend player!!! Strong axis rotation and softer side speed often give me more backend than most should want!

I'm getting the impression that pin position in morich balls seems to really determine very strongly the move at the back.

Note similar pin posiition of both balls above. One under bridge(middle finger also a bit) the other above the bridge. But different mass bias.

I love these cores, I love the coverstock on both balls above.

Gurus...for a more sideways move at the back??? Shorter pin to pap? Ie 4 1/2.

Any others notice this phenomena with morich stuff!?

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS specs above...Pin by MB by pin up from midline!

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jjweb · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2005, 11:02:41 PM »

I was told by two MoRich product reps that higher pin drillings (or any kind of flip pattern) work best, especially balls with the Vanguard core.

I would suggest putting the Mass Bias in the strong position. I had the same carry problems with my WMB when I had the pin in a lower position and MB in the control position, plugged it and it became a different ball. After plugging it, I finally could get it to move on the backend and carry.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #2 on:** September 19, 2005, 06:48:46 AM »

NOw ball one....laid out by Mo Guru himself IS a higher pin position.
Early roll mb.

Ball two is a low pin position(under middle but a strong mass bias position).

My observation is that these balls do not move as much on backend if the pin is closer to track as other balls with similar pin positions from other manufacturers.

JJ, I'm thinking similar thoughts on the Sahara as you mentioned but maybe stronger pin and stronger mass bias for flip. Ball is just too much forward roll. I wanted some reduction of my super angular backend I usually get but it was too much!

Core on both balls is NOT the Vanguard core. It is the Ravage core.

More ideas gurus.

REgards,

LUckylefty

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** September 19, 2005, 08:14:21 AM »

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I was told by two MoRich product reps that higher pin drillings (or any kind of flip pattern) work best, especially balls with the Vanguard core.

That's because the Vanguard's hole in the middle makes it want to go into a roll so darned early.

I had to highly polish both Shock & Awe's with 2 different pin positions and 2 different MB positions to prevent them from rolling out.
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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** September 19, 2005, 08:18:48 AM »

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My observation is that these balls do not move as much on backend if the pin is closer to track as other balls with similar pin positions from other manufacturers.

More ideas gurus.

Regards,
LUckylefty

Yes, of course, that is the practical side of Mo's core in MoRich and Track balls. The bowler gets the full amount of possible flare for any pin position from 3 3/8" out to 6 3/4" (or wherever). Pins from 2 3/4" to around 4" or 4 1/2" act more continuous on the backend. Pin positions from 4" or 4 1/2" to 6 3/4" act more like the bowler put an end over end release on the ball.

Only pin positions from 1"/1.5" to 2 3/4" get reduced flare. This is totally opposite symmetric cores where the flare starts to reduce from 3 3/8" out ot 6 3/4".

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Life: Deal with what is.

track-atl · « **Reply #5 on:** September 19, 2005, 08:48:31 AM »

if you look at the drilling instructions that come with the total shock .It has a drilling with the pin 5" from axis with the pin up it creates a foward roll reaction.The vanguard core is very different and unique.I would refer the the drilling sheet the comes with the ball or call Freddie Carroll at morich he is very good.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #6 on:** September 19, 2005, 11:01:42 AM »

Charlest...I think you have described what I am seeing very well!

It's turned my strong side roll in to almost end over end roll at the back!!
Great for a lot of spares by the way! (I like to hook just a teeny bit at them!)

Something that I wanted.. but not so much???

The compromise???

REgards,

Luckylefty

jjweb · « **Reply #7 on:** September 19, 2005, 11:24:58 AM »

I think most of Morich's stuff leans more towards forward roll on the backend, might be a reason they get some extremely awesome carry. Just about all of my Morich stuff goes forward on the backend, then again I don't have a lot of tilt either.

The forward roll might be a natural characteristic of their strong cores.

All of my Morich stuff makes me look like I have some hand. I would never be able to play the lines I play without their equipment, especially the Total Shock & Awe.
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Cbjdc · « **Reply #8 on:** September 19, 2005, 03:01:33 PM »

From what I understand from Mo and his colleague after going to a few of the clinics. they have been working with drilling my equipment that according to mo and brain himself that a ball driller should never have a pin above the fingers for any reason. This causes the ball to use all energy in the ball before hitting the pins. From what I understand if the pin is near the fingers or to the side that the greater impact the ball will have. From what i can tell they are absolutely right on all counts. Eight balls drilled and not a single one hits like a dud. They have earned me a couple of tournament wins and some serious money. So cant complain at all. I would honestly think about who is drilling the ball for you and also follow the drill patterns to the T. That is a really big thing with this type of equipment

brunswickcomplete · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2005, 05:14:13 PM »

have drilled 3 wmb, sold all after a few games, had the same reaction that you described, lots of rev and no finish, emailed Fred C. at morich, his response was that he did not match up well with the vanguard weightblocks himself, as in my reaction , he said his ball held the axis of rotation (high axis tilt) too long and never released or tumbled into the back-end, the older morich equipment matches up much better for me, as in the T.A. and Ravage

Jeffrevs · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2005, 05:28:37 PM »

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have drilled 3 wmb, sold all after a few games, had the same reaction that you described, lots of rev and no finish, emailed Fred C. at morich, his response was that he did not match up well with the vanguard weightblocks himself, as in my reaction , he said his ball held the axis of rotation (high axis tilt) too long and never released or tumbled into the back-end, the older morich equipment matches up much better for me, as in the T.A. and Ravage

I didn't have lack of hit problems....I just like the look of the older core (herc, ravage, t/a, sahara)better than the vanguard....FOR ME at least

..PLUS...King of the Mill pointed out, that for him drilling a ball for me....it's easier to get that core to do what I NEED it to do rather than the vanguard....not that he can't make the vanguard do what I need....but it's easier w/ the older core....
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Kanazteck · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2005, 07:04:40 PM »

from what jeffrevs and chaoscomplete stated:

the older cores are better for high axis rotation guys

the vanguard core would benefit someone who comes more up the back of the ball and doesnt have as much axis rotation

am i right in saying that?

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2005, 08:45:45 PM »

I've seen Fred with the Total Shock and Awe....oh baby...looks good!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I'm only using the Ravage core.

stanski · « **Reply #13 on:** September 24, 2005, 11:43:17 PM »

quote:
from what jeffrevs and chaoscomplete stated:

the older cores are better for high axis rotation guys

the vanguard core would benefit someone who comes more up the back of the ball and doesnt have as much axis rotation

am i right in saying that?

I find the opposite to be true. My medium tilt, high axis rotation really allows the core to get into a forward roll more easily, something that increases carry for me. I have seen a lot of up the backers have real trouble with vanguards. Just my experience, i know there are literally millions of variables.
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charlest · « **Reply #14 on:** September 25, 2005, 06:25:57 PM »

quote:
quote:
from what jeffrevs and chaoscomplete stated:

the older cores are better for high axis rotation guys

the vanguard core would benefit someone who comes more up the back of the ball and doesnt have as much axis rotation

am i right in saying that?

I find the opposite to be true. My medium tilt, high axis rotation really allows the core to get into a forward roll more easily, something that increases carry for me. I have seen a lot of up the backers have real trouble with vanguards. Just my experience, i know there are literally millions of variables.
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stanski

I'd sort of agree with stanski.

I have medium tilt and 45-75 degrees rotation. The strong tendency of the Vanguard core to try to get into an early roll is only ameliorated by the gloss polish I put on my 2 S&As. So far 3 different drillings seem to enforce this thought and its tendency. Last drilling has the MB on the track side of the thumb hole, approx 5.5" from PAP.
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