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Drilling for hercules.
« on: September 24, 2003, 06:51:16 PM »
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions about how to lay this one out.I am not familiar with this paticular piece and was hoping to get some advice from someone that has drilled one or seen one in action and how it was drilled and how it reacted.I have(as of right now) medium speed,medium-medium high revs.The ball has 3-4 pin 3.5 top weight.I am looking to use it on a THS medium oil 35-38' down with a light buff.This has been the norm for our travel league from house to house,so some versatility may be needed.Thanks
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Re: Drilling for hercules.
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2003, 09:58:22 AM »
Good question A DICK, I recently purchased one, and was interested in a layout for this ball.  A friend told me if you call and speak with Fred Carroll (technical director of MoRich) and give him your PAP and specs he will lay the ball out over the phone.    

If you'd like message me and I'll give you the number.

Otherwise I'd like a few suggestions from here also.

Thanks
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Re: Drilling for hercules.
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2003, 10:29:01 AM »
Dick,

Based on your description of you and the oil pattern and my recent experience with an Onslaught, drilled for a friend, on our medium-heavy oil pattern, I would NOT drill this ball, the Hercules, for that condition and your release. I'd guess it was too strong. The Onslaught, an apparently very even ball even with a strong drilling, would *probably* be more appropriate. If you did drill the Hercules, you's need a length drilling and more than likely some extra polish, even though it looks like a polished pearl out of the box.

There's an Onslaught thread in this forum, a week or two old; take a look at it for some details.

The Onslaught is nowhere near as strong as the BJI review indicates.

My best guess.
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Re: Drilling for hercules.
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2003, 10:45:00 AM »
My Friday night teammate uses an Onslaught, but based on what I've seen it is uncontrollable.  I'd consider him to be either a power tweener or a craner at least.  The Onslaught is too much ball in his hands and no matter how deep he gets it's very hard to stay on the right side of the head pin.  This is also giving the consideration he's throwing it about 18-19 MPH.

According to MoRich's website there are only three effective types of drilling patterns due to the high mass bias cores.  That's why when I drill my Hercules up I'm calling Fred Caroll, so I don't ruin it.

Anyways, with your older/current style the Onslaught will also be usless for you because it will never stay on the lane.  But if you try the stroker line I bet like Charlest said you'll be fine.

I can't comment on the Hercules because I've never seen it.
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Re: Drilling for hercules.
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2003, 02:02:37 PM »
I got my Hercules and went with the control drill for high track layout.  This ball is hands down an animal.  It is very strong in the midlane and continuous to the pit.  It recovers from anywhere but needs to find some dry in order to get it really moving.

With that said I found the box surface to be a little squirty in longer oils, but too strong to hit any dry early.  I'd like to use this baby on some flatter oils so I can paly straighter up the boards.

The hit is above average but the carry is better than anything in the whole world.

Overall the jury is still undecided but I'm anxiously awaiting another attempt at throwing the Hercules.

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Re: Drilling for hercules.
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2003, 03:33:24 PM »
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I got my Hercules and went with the control drill for high track layout

So you went with the 2-1/2 layout.what did the static wieghts end up being.I ended up with about 2-1/4 pos side weight after I laid mine out like this.I still havent drilled it yet.

Does it look as though it could be used for heavyier oil if you tweaked the cover,drilling?Thanks for the update.
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Re: Drilling for hercules.
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2003, 03:45:48 PM »
Well, since I had my Hercules plugged and redrilled I only ended up with 3/4 oz side weight.

I actually told the driller to make the pin a 2.75" layout instead of 2.5".  Going that route the MB ended up directly under my thumb, with the top point of the star being drilled.  I wanted more backend out of the ball, and I got it, but it's very even and controlled like it should be.

The ball can be used for heavy oil this way, I couldn't keep the ball on the lanes unless I rode the oil line.  At the start of the league I was throwing from 30 out with a break point at ten, and the ball still came marching back to the whole ripping the pins apart.  I had taken the ball down to 800 grit after redrilling to remove some lines and plugging material, then applied Black Magic so it wouldn't burn up too early.  This way the ball skidded too long if it didn't hit a decent amoount of dry to turn over.

I then took it down to 600 and it reacted better in heavier oils, but it didn't like dry too much.  I needed to find that right swing line but three games wasn't enough time to do it in.  So I polished it again, which by the way the Hercules doesn't like to be very often, I found it pretty resistant to polish.

In my opinion I find that this ball wouldn't be very effective if the outsides had a DEFINITE dry spot.  I think the ball needs lighter oil to keep it from flying off the lanes.  I am assuming it will react great on a flatter oil playing straighter up the boards.

There is no loss in hitting power or carry even being swung from deep inside.

I didn't expect a common wall shot on Thursday but the no handers were crying there was too much oil.

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Re: Drilling for hercules.
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2003, 12:05:20 PM »
A Dick,

This is a little late but did you go with a control drill for your Hercules?

The control drill I laid out on my Hercules is different than the pattern on Morich's website.  In all the "new" illustrations it appears to have the RC on the right of the thumb even for a control drilling.

Anyway as an update my Hercules remains at 800 grit slightly polished so it "looks/shines" like it's at factory finish.  The ball is extremely versatile on all conditions I've faced in various bowling houses.  I can play straight up the boards on flatter heavier oil, and swing it as necessary on the mediums and lighters.  On every condition I've come across I still haven't lost any control or predictability that I've seen from the first time I've thrown it.  It continues to be aggressive but not overwhelming where it makes adjusting difficult.

It's official...LOL..., Buzzsaws don't hit or carry the best, the Hercules does.  I've bowled my best using this ball and I don't see anything changing as long as keep my head on my shoulders, and stay consistent in the game.

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Re: Drilling for hercules.
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2003, 10:08:47 AM »
Nope I havnt drilled it or anything else in past few weeks been busy and trying a little bit longer span to cut the revs down.i have so many balls to chose from I just dont know if I should try the hercules or not.So I guess I will update if I ever do decide to drill it.
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