Author Topic: how to redrill my nsane (Read 2375 times)

urbanshaft · « **on:** March 22, 2008, 07:44:49 PM »

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee55/urban_shaft/Picture286.jpg

right now it has like 1 board midlane and 2board of backend of total hook thats it.
wanting to have it for med+ with backend kinda like a black widow
any suggestions?

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2008, 08:43:21 AM »

Are you maybe using it on too little oil?

Have you tried polish on it?

Your ball speed is very low compared to your rev rate; maybe it's using up too much energy in the heads & the midlane.
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John D Davis · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2008, 09:01:53 AM »

I hate to break it to you, but if you dont get any backend with that layout/type of ball... Then plugging it isnt going to do you one bit of good. You may can get the ball to roll earlier but doesnt mean its going to hook more or less than what you got. If anything, just save it for drier type lanes and get something else in the future that will give a different look that this.

mainzer · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2008, 11:33:33 AM »

I would go with polish first also I really dont know how you could drill it to work better really like John D. Davis said
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NicholasE · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2008, 12:33:00 PM »

I had the same issue with one of my Nsanes. I sanded to 2000 abralon and it came alive. Don't polish it cause its going to be skidding even worse. Take it to 2000 and go from there. If anything take the underlying surface down to a low grit like 400 and then hit with polish. I have a Twisted fury with 400 grit then ruff buff on that (OOB finish) and the layout it Exactly the same as what you have there and its a MONSTER on the backend. I would do that before just polishing.
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urbanshaft · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2008, 04:16:13 PM »

ive changed the surface to 180 polish 500 polish 500 dull 1000 dull 4000 polish
and right now its 4000 with more polish then any other ball ive seen. nothing has worked

J_Mac · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2008, 04:51:50 PM »

Have you tried either 4000 or 2000 with no polish?

If you have and still haven't gotten the results you're looking for it could be for a few reasons...

Your release... did you ever have a Black Widow that made that sort of motion, or are you watching others throw their BW's and wishing you could get the same reaction?

Oil pattern... This ball and almost every ball that MoRich puts out handles oil well and needs oil in the heads to retain energy.

With these super strong asymmetric cores that Mo Pinel has been creating, I've seen the need to use higher and higher pin positions to create the flip you're looking for. Your layout isn't one I'd see making that sort of motion change on medium oil.

If your PAP is 4 3/8 over you're looking at a pin placement on that ball that currently is in a strong position. I'm guessing that for you it's roughly a 35*x4.5"x45* dual angle layout.

I'd rather have the ball at 70*x5"x20* to get the motion you're looking for. If you're not familiar with the dual angle layout method, that layout would put the pin higher above your middle finger and the MB pretty much in your thumb.

Maybe I'll layout an Ultra Zone like that for myself...

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urbanshaft · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:56:54 PM »

ive used it on all patterns except the heavy suff havent bowled on heavy in like 6 months, my urethane ball hookes more then my nsane most of the time .
r u sure mb on my thumb? i have a tnv like that and it had no backend at all hooked early then went just straight

Edited on 3/23/2008 7:57 PM

J_Mac · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2008, 08:05:55 PM »

quote:
ive used it on all patterns except the heavy suff havent bowled on heavy in like 6 months, my urethane ball hookes more then my nsane most of the time .
r u sure mb on my thumb? i have a tnv like that and it had no backend at all hooked early then went just straight

Edited on 3/23/2008 7:57 PM

I'm thinking you're just not using it on enough oil. Like I said, this layout is fairly strong, but isn't strong in the regard that it will make a huge move on the backend.

Are you trying to cover a lot of ground with it, or play more of a down and in shot?

No response to the inquiry about having or throwing a BW in comparison?

And as far as the MB ending up in your thumb, no, I'm not that certain since I don't know anything other than your PAP and don't have the proper layout tools here at home.
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Edited on 3/23/2008 8:08 PM

urbanshaft · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2008, 09:06:29 PM »

no i was playing anywhere i could with it but wasnt working good on anything.
couple ppl have black widow/pearl/bites and they have lower revs then me and there backend is alot bigger then anything i got except my dead flush

Phlap218 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2008, 09:11:11 PM »

have you tried it on only house shots or have you tried it on some flatter shots? mine didn't work well on THS. but on a sport shot or anything a little flatter it worked pretty well and even on a heavy oil sport shot hooked a lot more than what i expected it to.

J_Mac · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2008, 09:11:24 PM »

quote:
no i was playing anywhere i could with it but wasnt working good on anything.
couple ppl have black widow/pearl/bites and they have lower revs then me and there backend is alot bigger then anything i got except my dead flush

I see, so you are wanting a reaction type that you may very well not be able to get out of this strong of a ball.

How is the Dead flush laid out?
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urbanshaft · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2008, 09:21:34 PM »

5 x 3 pin above ring finger
all the mb bals ive had havent workeed out for me im hoping the bw will be different or im done with mb

J_Mac · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2008, 09:48:34 PM »

quote:
5 x 3 pin above ring finger
all the mb bals ive had havent workeed out for me im hoping the bw will be different or im done with mb

Something that most bowlers and even pro shop employees don't realize is how much lower the average RG is on a low RG asymmetric ball versus a low RG symmetric ball.

If your revrate is dominating your ball speed you might want to stick with higher RG symmetric pieces with lower overall differential like the Dead Flush.

OR...

You may need to try something completely different in regards to laying out asymmetric equipment. I.E. a 90*x5"x30* layout, which is pin 3.75" above your midline and above your ring finger with the MB in your track. You could basically call this a 5"x7" (cg x mb) layout with the pin above your ring finger.
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urbanshaft · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2008, 10:04:26 PM »

well my arvg speed now is 16+ mph
can do 18 if really dry

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