Post by: urbanshaft on March 22, 2008, 07:44:49 PM
right now it has like 1 board midlane and 2board of backend of total hook thats it.
wanting to have it for med+ with backend kinda like a black widow
any suggestions?
Post by: charlest on March 23, 2008, 08:43:21 AM
Have you tried polish on it?
Your ball speed is very low compared to your rev rate; maybe it's using up too much energy in the heads & the midlane.
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Post by: John D Davis on March 23, 2008, 09:01:53 AM
Post by: mainzer on March 23, 2008, 11:33:33 AM
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Post by: urbanshaft on March 23, 2008, 04:16:13 PM
and right now its 4000 with more polish then any other ball ive seen. nothing has worked
Post by: J_Mac on March 23, 2008, 04:51:50 PM
If you have and still haven't gotten the results you're looking for it could be for a few reasons...
Your release... did you ever have a Black Widow that made that sort of motion, or are you watching others throw their BW's and wishing you could get the same reaction?
Oil pattern... This ball and almost every ball that MoRich puts out handles oil well and needs oil in the heads to retain energy.
With these super strong asymmetric cores that Mo Pinel has been creating, I've seen the need to use higher and higher pin positions to create the flip you're looking for. Your layout isn't one I'd see making that sort of motion change on medium oil.
If your PAP is 4 3/8 over you're looking at a pin placement on that ball that currently is in a strong position. I'm guessing that for you it's roughly a 35*x4.5"x45* dual angle layout.
I'd rather have the ball at 70*x5"x20* to get the motion you're looking for. If you're not familiar with the dual angle layout method, that layout would put the pin higher above your middle finger and the MB pretty much in your thumb.
Maybe I'll layout an Ultra Zone like that for myself...
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Post by: urbanshaft on March 23, 2008, 07:56:54 PM
r u sure mb on my thumb? i have a tnv like that and it had no backend at all hooked early then went just straight
Edited on 3/23/2008 7:57 PM
Post by: J_Mac on March 23, 2008, 08:05:55 PM
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ive used it on all patterns except the heavy suff havent bowled on heavy in like 6 months, my urethane ball hookes more then my nsane most of the time .
r u sure mb on my thumb? i have a tnv like that and it had no backend at all hooked early then went just straight
Edited on 3/23/2008 7:57 PM
I'm thinking you're just not using it on enough oil. Like I said, this layout is fairly strong, but isn't strong in the regard that it will make a huge move on the backend.
Are you trying to cover a lot of ground with it, or play more of a down and in shot?
No response to the inquiry about having or throwing a BW in comparison?
And as far as the MB ending up in your thumb, no, I'm not that certain since I don't know anything other than your PAP and don't have the proper layout tools here at home.
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Post by: urbanshaft on March 23, 2008, 09:06:29 PM
couple ppl have black widow/pearl/bites and they have lower revs then me and there backend is alot bigger then anything i got except my dead flush
Post by: Phlap218 on March 23, 2008, 09:11:11 PM
Post by: J_Mac on March 23, 2008, 09:11:24 PM
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no i was playing anywhere i could with it but wasnt working good on anything.
couple ppl have black widow/pearl/bites and they have lower revs then me and there backend is alot bigger then anything i got except my dead flush
I see, so you are wanting a reaction type that you may very well not be able to get out of this strong of a ball.
How is the Dead flush laid out?
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Post by: urbanshaft on March 23, 2008, 09:21:34 PM
all the mb bals ive had havent workeed out for me im hoping the bw will be different or im done with mb
Post by: J_Mac on March 23, 2008, 09:48:34 PM
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5 x 3 pin above ring finger
all the mb bals ive had havent workeed out for me im hoping the bw will be different or im done with mb
Something that most bowlers and even pro shop employees don't realize is how much lower the average RG is on a low RG asymmetric ball versus a low RG symmetric ball.
If your revrate is dominating your ball speed you might want to stick with higher RG symmetric pieces with lower overall differential like the Dead Flush.
OR...
You may need to try something completely different in regards to laying out asymmetric equipment. I.E. a 90*x5"x30* layout, which is pin 3.75" above your midline and above your ring finger with the MB in your track. You could basically call this a 5"x7" (cg x mb) layout with the pin above your ring finger.
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Post by: urbanshaft on March 23, 2008, 10:04:26 PM
can do 18 if really dry
Post by: J_Mac on March 23, 2008, 10:09:53 PM
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well my arvg speed now is 16+ mph
can do 18 if really dry
Well take my suggestions with a grain of salt... just trying to give you some alternate ideas since what you've tried in the past hasn't worked.
I'd consider the suggestions of a knowledgeable pro shop employee that was more familiar with your game over my blind guesses, but perhaps that's why you ended up with the layout you have now.
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Post by: Moe on March 24, 2008, 05:10:37 PM
I have a real problem with over/under cuz i'm slightly rev dominant. This ball really smooths things out for me. I really don't see much overall hook with this ball, just a strong read and smooth move off the spot.
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Post by: urbanshaft on March 24, 2008, 07:57:07 PM
even tryed cranking the ball no thumb 500+ revs and the ball had no flip at all
i got a nsane lemon