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Equipment Boards => MoRich => Topic started by: Nicanor on December 27, 2007, 01:29:03 AM
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I drilled a N-Sane for my Son and me and the ball does very little for either of us even in medium oil. We tried them at three different houses the first (only I tried the N-Sane on this shot) being a Christmas tree shot and the N-Sane was even weak on this oil pattern. We tried it on a shot where we don't know the amount of oil, but its 3-1. The manager of the bowling alley was trying to lower scores so he put enough oil on the outside to slow down the stand left throw right high scoring shots. No luck on this shot either.
The third house was my Son's afternoon league. I bowled a 6 game league on the lanes in the morning and there was a league after us and then my Son's league. There is no re-oiling till after my Son's league on my Son's league side of the house. This was the first place he threw the N-Sane. We got there early for him to throw a game. He started to throw the ball and it skidded way too far to ever recover. After a couple of shots we found out they had already oiled that side of the house. When he went to the side of the house where his league would be, the lanes had not been oiled. The N-Sane worked extremely well on this left over shot. It had been bowled on all day without being re-oiled.
So this is not a slam on the N-Sane and I know I could adjust the cover, but he already has a Resurgence, Black Widow and Attitude Shift so he doesn't need another heavy or medium heavy oil ball.
Just wanted to know if this ball was intended for lighter oil or short oil.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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Well its intended for medium oil. But you have to remember with this cover stock it has to have some dry boards to react because its a pearl ball at 4000 abralon. Sounds like the layout used on the ball is just weak to me or was drilled for an arc as to where this is more of a skid/snap ball. Do you have any pictures and whats the bowlers track and all that good stuff?
MoRich balls are VERY drill sensitive and the driller has to know the bowler to get the ball drilled right.
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Edited on 12/27/2007 10:32 AM
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Yeah sounds like a drilling issue mine hooks a ton on everything except the floods.
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Mainzerpower
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Thats for sure a drilling issue... I have seen 2 of them in action and they hook a ton, even on the fresh house shot..
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So what drilling (pin position/MB) did you drill into the N-Sane to get this tremendous hook out of this ball. My drill in pin under the ring finger and the MB kicked about 2 1/2 inches right of the thumb. My track is medium (4 7/8 and 5/8 up. I know that the PAP makes a difference in drilling and knowing how the ball is drilled is equally as important as the PAP.
Thanks again.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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Thats just not a really good choice on layout for a PAP like that. The layout that you chose is more of a low track players layout with a sharp break point.
Check out www.morichbowling.com and look at the sharp break point layout for someone with a Medium PAP (which is what you have). The pin should be right of the ring, 3 3/8" from pin to pap and 5 1/4" from MB to PAP with the GC about 2" below the pin.
I think that would have been the better choice because this ball is ment for big backend and its a pearl. Im a medium track player as well and most pin down layouts just skids on a pearl ball. I thorw about 17MPH + so I need a stronger layout.
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Both of the ones I saw had pin above or beside the ring with the cg stacked under and the mb in the strong 75 degree position. Pin under the ring was probably the wrong drilling for that ball.. I would have not drilled it that way..
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Do you have to go by the drill sheet or can you use No's Dual Angle layout?
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Team Banger Bowling Test Staff
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If your not familer with the Dual angle or really studied it, it can be confusing. A drill sheet on the other hand is like a drawn map with not really much guess work, the dual angle should be a great thing as long as the driller FULLY understands what its talking about. Even Mo adds at the end that only a good driller can do this and they have to know how to properly do the work based on the 3 things needed to do the dual angle.
The dual angle really is just a more precise way to find the same thing you can with just a drill sheet but there is advantages to one as oposed to the other I would imagine.
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Do you have to go by the drill sheet or can you use No's Dual Angle layout?
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Team Banger Bowling Test Staff
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I drilled the LEV rg the same way, Is this also true the LEVrg?
Do I plug and re-drill these balls?
Thanks again.
Barry
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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I drilled the LEV rg the same way, Is this also true the LEVrg?
Do I plug and re-drill these balls?
Thanks again.
Barry
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Well with the levrg I would go with a arching type layout. Most of the time with a ball intended for heavy oil you will want to get more of a roll instead of a hooking motion, to help concur the heavy oil if thats your intention. Most of the time you can achieve that by drilling the ball with the pin up above the ring finger and MB in a strong position. Its hard to tell what the layout should be without knowing more about the bowler. You don't want a strong layout put on a ball for a bowler that bowls about 15MPH unless your wanting to play deep and if you put a strong layout on a morich you will be playing deep on a THS.
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Nicanor I drilled my Levrg w/ pin under ring finger and I hated it. I plugged and re-drilled it to a pin above ring and the ball still rolls heavy but now has a much bigger backend. My pap is 5 3/4 and 1/4 up
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Thank you for all the replies.
I asked Buddies Pro Shop to look at this post. Buddies Pro Shop sold me all of these bowling balls and gave me drilling recommendations. I gave these drilling recommendations to the Pro Shop operator here in CA but he drilled them the way he wanted to anyway.
You won't believe this:
Chris from Buddies Pro Shop called me very late his time to talk to me about the email I sent him and this post. He agreed with you all and the pro shop operator did not drill them correctly. Even better, Chris is sending me UPS shipping data to ship all three bowling balls back to him at Buddies Pro Shop where they will plug, re-drill and ship the bowling balls back to me in time for me to take them to the Military Bowling Championships in Las Vegas in January. At no charge. I will pay any shipping and anything else needed to be fair, but is that customer service or what. The ball driller here in CA drills the ball perfectly for fit, but he just doesn't stay on top of the bowling equipment and recommended layouts. Now the pro shop operators at Buddies Pro Shop will have three bowling balls to get my Son's and my specs so they can drill future bowling balls for my Son and I.
I'll let you know how it works out.
Thanks again for your replies.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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thats great! buddies has some great staff!hope it turns out great for you!
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That sounds awesome. Buddies is great when it comes to customer service. IMO, other online pro shops need to learn some things from them..
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Hi,
Nicolas, I have a LevRG and I would like to know to where the MB is more strong to the VAL or to the thumb?
Thank you
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Just wanted to know if this ball was intended for lighter oil or short oil.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Mo does not make a ball for this condition if you have any kind of hand in the ball. Unless one is very speed dominant or a spinner, Mo does not make a true light or dry ball.
Edited on 12/28/2007 7:24 AM
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Hi,
Nicolas, I have a LevRG and I would like to know to where the MB is more strong to the VAL or to the thumb?
Thank you
I couldn't tell you really. Its all about how you roll the ball. I can tell you what works best for me. And that is the MB location on my balls are usually about 1-2" right of my thumb hole, usually to the right of it on pin up balls and the ones where the pin is right of the ring the MB is usually down 1" and over 2". But just because it works for me doesn't mean it works for anyone, what I would do in your case is to get a proshop to watch you throw the ball and get your information, and most cases they can tell you what you need as far as layout with what your wanting the ball to acheive.
For me I like the LevRG to be a rolling bowling ball as apposed to it being a hooking bowling ball. The LevRG can get pretty angular if drilled up to be but there is no need with it. well as I remember the wider amount of degrees on the ball layout will increase backend from a range of about 30-90 degrees but most stay around a 75 degree layout. Its just hard to really tell about someone else and most of the time your proshop should be able to help you with stuff like that and get you the desired reaction.
This is how a pin above the ring finger and MB to the right of my thumb, CG out of line in my palm, works for me in this video, I'm throwing the Total Shock & Awe (red ball) here at 400 grit:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HivzDx1Zx60
With watching that on an older ball the LevRG can be way stronger then that with the new core on just a house shot.
With the new dual angle layout that Mo Pinel came up with you can pretty much get any reaction out of the ball you could possibly want but I would only recommend a proshop who has gone to the siminars and knows a little about it.
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Edited on 12/28/2007 11:25 AM
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The MB closer to the Val will smooth the ball's reaction down. It will cause the ball to read the midlane a little sooner and not be as sharp off the spot.
If you look at the "Control" drill on mo's site for a low tracker (like me), the diagram is listed like that, and actually a little past the Val. But for a higher tracker, it may cause the ball to roll to early and burn up. I don't know, I've never seen one layed out like that for someone with a higher track..
Later,
REvans284
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Part of the problem was definately the mass bias's proximity to the val. The mass bias migrates toward the val as the ball rolls down the lane, when it reaches the val, the ball rolls very strong. If the mass bias is close to the val, the ball will not retain energy for very long, and it will be a very controllable reaction (as the roll phase will occur early). If the mass bias is too far from the val, the ball will struggle to reach its roll phase, and sometimes this will result in the ball getting too far down the lane before it reacts. Both of these positions have a purpose, and can work quite well for certain conditions, but for the typical bowler on the typical condition its not really what one will want.
This ball also was drilled with a very far pin to pap. That, on asymetrical pieces, will not result in a loss of flare to a great degree, but it will change the breakpoint shape. This pin position is more of a foward roll type drill, meaning that the ball will not get super sideways at the breakpoint
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