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rickywin

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This obviously didn't go well...
« on: January 22, 2009, 08:15:04 AM »
So I purchased a LevRg and had it drilled up with the Strong midlane drilling for Medium Track players on Mo's website. The weighthole happened to be near the thumbhole, like a double thumbhole drilling, so I was thinking this looks pretty similar. The ball doesn't roll very well at all, and it seems my track has migrated to the right to where its right over the middle finger insert and right between the thumbhole and weighthole. It hits like a wet noodle. What happened? Tried the LevRG at 360 and 500 abralon, but it never consistently rolled. I could hear the ball rolling over the thumbhole the last five feet before it hits the pins. There's gotta be something with the layout right? A coach of mine has said that it might be that the core is so strong, and it doesn't turn over quick enough and instead wiggles. I know a picture would be greatly appreciated, so I'll try to get that to you guys tonight after league. It's not much to go off of, but any comments are appreciated.
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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2009, 01:23:45 PM »
I have a similar PAP, I'm 5 1/2 over by 1 up.  At first glance it looks as though this drill is almost like a Pin to PAP of 2 and the PSA (MB) to PAP is 6 or more.  That's a radical drilling.  

If you based it off of dual angle it's like a 25 degree angle to val x 90 degree drilling angle.  I'd say you need to move the pin up and to the left further and kick the cg/MB further to the right and shorten up the Drilling angle and move the Pin to PAP distance a little further away to allow the ball to rev and tilt more.  Something like a 4x4 or 4.5 x 3 or so.  this could allow for a 45 angle to val and a 45-55 drilling angle.

In the end though, if you're hitting the middle finger as radically as you say you are then it's not just the drilling that's the issue.  Sounds like your release may be different, finger tips could be causing issues or maybe a difference in span etc? any videos of your release we can see?
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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2009, 01:36:57 PM »
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I use green pad on mine and that's for heavy oil,anything less and it rolls out. funny thing about the MoRich stuff I've used,if there's not enough oil the ball will burn up but not look like it is.I had to bring my covers up and get used to the ball and then adjust them where I wanted.I think this is from a less aggressive cover with a very aggressive core combo,not like any other ball I've used before.I would polish it and try it just to see what it will do,then adjust it where you need it.once you see the true reaction of the ball you'll know what to expect out of it and know when it's burning up.
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Interesting about not looking like it was.. I had a another dull, high rg diff ,strong mb ball drilled leverage and it did the same thing.. It would never roll out into a foward roll but just wouldn't move.. it would just keep wobbling and flaring down the lane..
visionary blue centaur particle... flare rings all the way around it 1.5 to 2 inches apart..

Put it at 6 inch pin to pap and it is sweet now on just about any flood. Still has decent flare ring seperation but they look like a normal ball and only spread 4 to 5 inches.. not the 10 inches I was seeing.
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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2009, 02:42:06 PM »
same thing happened to me last week with my Flip.it's a pearl so I figured it was just some tight backends,my flip hooks alot on the back normally.after the first game I became suspicious so I pulled out my intense and had to move in 10 boards to keep it in the pocket,it's just a matter of knowing your equipment.
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rickywin

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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2009, 05:25:36 PM »
In recent past, I've never hit the middle finger grip as I have with the LevRG. Truth be told, I've always knicked the thumbhole a bit, with my flare rings. could be my fit, could be the drilling. I'm more biased towards the fit being the problem. What struck me was that my ball was looking like a full roller track and all my other balls began tracking really close to the thumbhole! So I think it could be my release thats a problem. I have a couple of old videos, but I my wrist position hasn't really changed. My wrist has always been a little weak, so that could account for me topping the ball a bit, and not getting the ball to rev up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZAYrx10QQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8FnGfuBoAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAzPnAVn7RE

I'll try the LevRG at 2000 abralon, then 4000 abralon! I'll fill you guys in on how it goes! Thank you guys for all your help!
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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2009, 08:05:47 AM »
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I'm going with Strider on this one...that coupled with slower speed and no revs...


...and an extremely weak release...
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rickywin

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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2009, 11:48:13 AM »
What do you suggest for me to do, to provide a stronger release?
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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2009, 03:55:06 PM »
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In recent past, I've never hit the middle finger grip as I have with the LevRG. Truth be told, I've always knicked the thumbhole a bit, with my flare rings. could be my fit, could be the drilling. I'm more biased towards the fit being the problem. What struck me was that my ball was looking like a full roller track and all my other balls began tracking really close to the thumbhole! So I think it could be my release thats a problem. I have a couple of old videos, but I my wrist position hasn't really changed. My wrist has always been a little weak, so that could account for me topping the ball a bit, and not getting the ball to rev up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZAYrx10QQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8FnGfuBoAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAzPnAVn7RE

I'll try the LevRG at 2000 abralon, then 4000 abralon! I'll fill you guys in on how it goes! Thank you guys for all your help!


The most likely reason your tracking over your thumb is due to your hand release.  You probably come up the back of the ball a lot which will cause one to track over their thumb.

Now tracking over your middle finger could also be a result of coming up the back of the ball too much.  However, i'm willing to bet the tracking over the fingers is more a result of the pin being on your VAL or past it.  

Try this:  Purposely come around the side of the ball and see what happens with your ball track.  

Next, do you track over your middle finger on other equipment?
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rickywin

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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2009, 04:25:07 PM »
I do not hit the middle finger with my other equipment. I've been told my release is very end over end, and it looks pretty straight. I'll try to come around the side a bit more in the coming days.
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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2009, 05:35:45 PM »
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What do you suggest for me to do, to provide a stronger release?


Try keeping your hand more behind the ball at release with your fingers below the equator of the ball...your hand is on top of the ball at release now (video #2...stop it at the 7 second mark to see what I mean about your hand being on top of the ball)...
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rickywin

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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2009, 11:48:09 PM »
I've been trying to keep my hand behind the ball more with some success. I'm getting a bit more turn from the ball...but it still hits weak. I brought it to 2000 abralon, then polished it some. Tried it on our 40 foot pattern, and it looks like its about to make the turn and just straightens out. Most of the time, you can hear the thumb the ball makes by going over either the balance hole or the thumbhole. I think burnout was only some of the problem. The other problem has to be the drilling on the ball. I'm not expecting to see a big left turn from the ball, because that's not whats it supposed to do. But I do want to see continuation, and for it to actually roll hard into the pins. I'm not fond of the 5-7s, and weak 10's this ball is giving me. What should I try?
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rickywin

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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2009, 07:34:11 PM »
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Re: This obviously didn't go well...
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2009, 08:16:08 PM »
less flare then your other layout but should be pretty aggressive with the position of the PSA spot.
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