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kingpin268

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Wiseman's Ravage in Masters
« on: December 06, 2009, 02:19:18 PM »
Hey, it's a long shot but does anyone know how Danny Wiseman had his Ravage layed out when he won the Miller High Life Masters in 2004? I picked up a Ravage and in need of a layout to put on it. Granted I'm not Wiseman but it would be a good starting point if there was some kind of layout associated with that reaction.

Also, if any of you have a Ravage, how did you drill yours and how did it roll? I've been throwing a lot of Morich lately. I have an Ntense, LevRg, Solid, and Sahara that I use. Looking for something with decent read and backend under the LevRG. The Solid I've found works real well on shorter college patterns and playing staighter trajectories. I need something that allows me to move in and still turn the corner on slightly longer patterns. The Solid has been iffy at best. The drilling is a little sensitive and doesn't move that well when I move inside but outside it is great. Anyway, if you have success stories, please share them! Thanks...
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Re: Wiseman's Ravage in Masters
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2009, 10:39:16 PM »
I found this on the Mo Site:
"The televised winning Ravage was drilled 5 x 2-1/2, the pin was 1-1/2 above the midline, and the surface was 2000 wet sanded."
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Re: Wiseman's Ravage in Masters
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 12:10:39 AM »
I have had a couple of the "original" ravages and in my opinion the "original" ravage was morich's best ball ever to date..!! stopped using morich once brunswick went to mexico(as a matter of fact stopped drilling brunswick altogether when they left the states).. both were laidout the same accept for one was pin down and the other was pin up.. the pin down was for heavier oil with the surfaced changed and the pin up ball I still have and use now.. layouts were 5x4x2.5, this would be a great layout for what you are looking for.. this layout will let you get alittle deeper and the ball will still have alot of pop when it makes it turn.. I forget what the OOB spec surface is but I would tell you I tried to keep the pin up ball as close to box as I can doing it myself on my spinner.. the morich web site will have the OOB specs if you need them.. enjoy this ball if it is your 1st ravage, you will be pleasently surprised.. slashrr69
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kingpin268

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Re: Wiseman's Ravage in Masters
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2009, 08:56:15 AM »
Thanks guys. When you say 5 x 2-1/2, the MB is 2.5" away from the PAP? Or is the VAL? I'm always confused when people write layouts in that form.
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Re: Wiseman's Ravage in Masters
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2009, 09:03:21 AM »
quote:
Granted I'm not Wiseman but it would be a good starting point if there was some kind of layout associated with that reaction.


No, it's not a good starting point ...you don't throw like him, you don't have the same pap, specs, etc, etc....it doesn't matter.

What do YOU want out of the ball, ...and have YOUR driller (who KNOWS what he's doing w/ strong asymmetrical stuf) drill it properly.....
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kingpin268

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Re: Wiseman's Ravage in Masters
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2009, 01:34:25 PM »
I see where you're coming from Jeff, but if he threw a semi-pin axis Ravage with the pin an 1.5" from his axis for example, that is a starting point. It would be totally different had he thrown the ball with a 6" pin to axis layout. I'm not trying to replicate his drilling, but just curious to see what ballpark that layout was in. I bowl a different game and on different conditions than that ball was on. Chances are I'll never get the ball to roll like that, but I'm just looking at options at this point.
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kingpin268

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Re: Wiseman's Ravage in Masters
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2009, 07:36:46 PM »
My Solid is set up with pin an 1.5" above bridge. MB is about 2" right of thumb. Distance wise, the pin is roughly 5" from my axis. It could just be the drilling, but the ball really struggles to rev up unless it finds a lot of dry ie shorter patterns. I thought the ball would be stronger personally even at scuffed surface. My LevRG is layed out similary, pin may be slightly lower and MB slightly further right, and that ball is a hook monster. The Solid just doesn't want to turn the corner and I think it has to do with the drilling. So in my head, the Ravage, with a different layout, should hopefully turn off the spot where the Solid just lopes.
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Re: Wiseman's Ravage in Masters
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2009, 10:27:04 AM »
Is that you Keith? And I've had two now that have done absolutely nothing. 3 have been worth keeping. So I'm almost 50% on these MoRich pieces.

The LevRG has a weighthole. The Solid does not. And now that you mention it, I have only really liked the balls with weightholes, save the Solid. Do they make that much of a difference? Every Mo ball that has a weighthole has no problem revving up and making the turn. The three that do not have an extra hole have either done nothing, lope, or need a lot of dry to turn. My span is about 3-7/8 x 4.

I really like the pieces that roll well but drilling these balls is so hit or miss. I'm almost at the point where I'm just hoping it will roll and not be a turd haha.

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kingpin268

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Re: Wiseman's Ravage in Masters
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 02:05:43 PM »
Wow, that would make sense then. The ball gets down the lane very well and has a nice smooth backend. I've never physically measured the pin-pap distance, but I loved the LevRG with that layout, so I figured it would be a good step down with a tamer cover and core. It worked out, just not how I had anticipated it to be.

Right now, the Ravage is drilled with pin just above bridge, and the MB is right below the thumb. I've seen the owner throw it, and it definitely moves pretty well on the backend. Typically, what kind of reaction does the MB under the thumb provide? Smoothness I thought, but seeing this ball move, it didn't look that way.

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Re: Wiseman's Ravage in Masters
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 01:06:46 PM »
I recently had my span shortened and forward pitch added instead of reverse. My track has since lowered quite a bit so my pap listed in my profile is not accurate. I would say it is about 4" over and 1" up now. I will measure it today after league before I decide anything with the ravage. I'll keep you guys posted when I find my PAP. I have til next thursday before it will get drilled so I have time to find a good layout.
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