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OddBalls

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Awesome finish vs Ravage..
« on: December 13, 2010, 07:30:30 AM »
Similar? Totally different?

Both appear to have the PK18 soild cover on it..

Anyone have both and can gave me an idea on how they compare??
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Re: Awesome finish vs Ravage..
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2010, 04:56:16 PM »

dizzyfugu

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Re: Awesome finish vs Ravage..
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2011, 02:26:29 AM »
IMHO, the AF is a juiced-up version of the Ravage - at least when you have both balls polished and with a similar layout. Both are good for medium conditions, but they react slightly different. The Ravage pushes easier down the lane, while the AF with its lower RG core and the much stronger mass bias shows a stronger reaction to friction and at the breakpoint, witch a much quicker/violent skid/hook/roll transition. It is, IMO, harder to control and more condition-specific, though, but handles longer patterns better, due to its strong core.


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Re: Awesome finish vs Ravage..
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2011, 07:22:12 AM »
Dizzyfugu I knocked the polish of my Awesome finish with a 2000 grit abralon pad by hand, it gets to the pocket easily but doesn't carry corner pins to well. I was thinking about a 4000 pad to get it to finish a little harder on the backend and to let me stay with it more than one game. What do you think?



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Re: Awesome finish vs Ravage..
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2011, 07:38:29 AM »
How's your ball drilled? I still have an AFi in my arsenal, drilled 4.5x4.5 with the pin above the fingers and the MB next to the thumb hole. I had, in the beginning, big trouble with the ball - one problem were protruding engraving fillers which kept the ball actually away from the lane surface, but I had a hard time controlling it at the breakpoint, because it flipped so violently at the breakpoint. Carry way either a hit or miss, and I tried several surfaces (OOB, re-polished with Brunswick High Gloss, 4.000 Abralon, 2.000 abralon plus 3M's Finesse-It) to cope with this.

 

I found the ball, due to its low RG, to become pretty rolly with some surface. Remember that PK18 once was Brusnwick's high end oil coverstock, and it is not weak at all - it IMO rather does not react as quickly to friction than later materials. I found the best solution for me in the Finesse-It finish, because it allows the ball to glide through the heads well but show good traction and controllability at the break point.

 

Reaction-wise I also found that I can, despite its sharp angle of attack, only play the ball on a deep line when there's lots of outside friction -the classic THS. With flatter oil, I learned to play rather straight and reduce hook and side rotation thorugh hand position changes. The good thing about the ball is truly its core, which forces it through skid/hook/roll very quickly. If you can exploit this to control your entry angle into the pins, I'd assume that you get better carry, aside from surface issues. I think the Ravage is more forgiving in comparison, but the AFi is not  a bad ball, nonetheless. It just takes more brains to use it properly - after all the inital trouble it was the first ball that made me think that the quipment is smarter than its user... But I made peace with the ball ;)


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Re: Awesome finish vs Ravage..
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2011, 08:55:01 AM »
Thanks for your response. I have the Awesome revs so I decided to get the Awesome finish as a step down. My awesome revs hooks a lot on the backend. The most success that I have had is moving inside and playing tight to the pocket. I'm not ready to give up on the ball just yet. I will continue to play with the cover. A friend of mine suggested 500 with rough buff. Or to just try a little polish over the 2000. Its not far of, I just need it to back end more. To me hand changes don't work to well with this ball. thanks again