Author Topic: Question on Balance Hole Location in the WOMB (Read 2994 times)

No Fear · « **on:** November 25, 2004, 11:01:18 AM »

I thought I understood balance hole location until the MORICH seminar on the WOMB....The chart MO PINEL gave Us puts the balance holes on the Center of Grip Line & starts from grip center & that puts the balance hole in most cases inside the VAL...I always thought balance holes inside the VAL reduce flair?...So I drilled My personal WOMB using this method (16# pap 5 3/4 & 1/2 Up,I'm 17 mph & Med revs & axis tilt 20 degrees)I used a strong drilling 3 3/8" by 6"(rc)the balance hole was put 3 1/2" from center grip on grip line....I got about 3 1/2" flair from this drilling....After throwing it in a couple of houses I did not get the strong backend I was hoping for....So I plugged the balance hole & redrilled it on My VAL line down 3" from my pap & this gave Me more flair(4 1/2")& a little better backend.....But still not the strong backend I wanted & have seen others get from this ball....I have ordered two more WOMB's that are coming any day....Any help on balance hole location or a better layout would be appreciated from You guys that have experience drilling these balls....Thanks in Advance

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2004, 07:52:01 PM »

Most of that is dependent on your release, ball, speed, tilt, rotation, etc, AND oil pattern on which it is used. Since you have not placed any info in your profile about your delivery & release, it's hard to take a guess about it and the oil pattern on which you are using the ball.

3" of flare on that ball with that drilling is a very small amount. Do you throw a small amount of revs or are you using it on not enough oil? In any case ... Maybe a call or email directly to MoRich is in your best interest.
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jmccann · « **Reply #2 on:** November 25, 2004, 08:00:30 PM »

I agree with Charlest, Morich's website has a very nice tool to get drill layouts for your specific desires. I am ordering a WMB this week and I got my layout from morich. My Desires with this ball are abit different than yours. I am after a more arcing ball. and this is what they said.
Pin to PAP distance = 3 3/8"
MB to PAP distance = 5 1/8"
Pin height above the midline = 1 7/8"

just so you have an idea of what type of response you will receive.

good Luck !

-John

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** November 25, 2004, 09:13:48 PM »

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I hope you get your answer as I'm seeing the same thing as you, drilled about the same. Lane conditions are medium heavy with weak back ends.

No balance hole yet, but its not flaring much and won't make the turn if I play inside.

If I move right and send it out farther into the dry, it will make it back, but ten pin city. A touch of burn maybe.

The same outside line with my polished Black Vendetta was wonderful. Back from the 4 board (9 at the arrows) with plenty of pop. I would think the WMB would handle more oil with the particle and 500 grit surface.
Windoor

I'm not sure if you're saying the polished Vendetta hooks more thanthe WoMB on this oil pattern. If so, then
I am fairly sure the WoMB is intended for MUCH heavier oil than a polished Vendetta Black. In fact, I suspect it is essential that there be heavier oil. I am surprised the WoMB is even hooking at all.
If you weren't implying that ... sorry.

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #4 on:** November 25, 2004, 09:18:49 PM »

The info I got from the seminar says that the original weighthole position you went with was a flare reducing. According to the charts going from pin through PAP 2 1/4 is the flare increasing position. MANY bowlers cannot use this position because there is a very good chance that they will hit the hole.

I think going 3 3/8 from PAPx 6 is going to give you a strong arc......something like 4x 4.5-5 would give you the stronger breakpoint you are looking for.

Naturally contact Mo first. I drilled one close to what I listed above for a buddy.....and it is all backend, a carrydown eating machine.

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #5 on:** November 25, 2004, 10:05:05 PM »

king,

The info I provided was on the disc Mo provided, he also specifically mentioned these weight holes in relation to the WMB.

Edited on 11/25/2004 11:05 PM

scruffy839 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2004, 10:48:50 PM »

First of all putting the MB at 6" will not give you a strong backend. this causes late revs with a controlled backend. Even with the WMB having a 7" MB, the 6" drilling will make the ball rev up after your BP. If you want the ball to rev on your BP then you would need a 5" MB placement and push the pin higher above you ML. moving the pin up compresses the reaction time of the ball causing a much stronger and quicker reaction. The real problem is not the hole placement although you can help the reaction with it. The target weighting chart will tell you where to put the hole to help the ball read earlier and make it stand up stronger, not to give the ball more backend.
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Edited on 11/30/2004 11:49 PM

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