well thats what i meant just in general, i have my proshop operator drill my stuff up. He knows more about ball drillings and specs than i do. I was just curious saying everything else equal how would the length and shape change compared to having a bal that is drilled to have a forward roll and one that has a drill to have a sharp break point. Also just to clarify my drillings arent straight off the site, just thats the type of reaction i asked my driller to put on.