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scotts33

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Response Strength
« on: November 30, 2008, 12:46:10 AM »
Where does the Response fit in the recent MoRich line up?  What's the closest older ball that fits it ball motion/lane reaction?  Awesome Finish???

N'Tense
LevRg
N'Sane
Solid
MoJave
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scotts33

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Re: Response Strength
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 01:16:00 PM »
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I'd say between the N'sane & Solid.


You have both or a Response?
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scotts33

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Re: Response Strength
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2008, 01:27:12 PM »
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Whoops, I guess I'm not entitled to an opinion on this post, My Bad!


Huh????????  I asked a question....like to know if you have rolled a Response or have either of the balls you listed?

I have a pin down control drilled Solid and looking to go with a MoRich ball above it.  Looking for more info. on how strong the Response is.  Simple really!
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Re: Response Strength
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2008, 07:07:48 AM »
watched Rory throw his last night....I think it rolls similar to the N'tense but stronger off the break point due to the more agressive cover.
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scotts33

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Re: Response Strength
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 07:13:08 AM »
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watched Rory throw his last night....I think it rolls similar to the N'tense but stronger off the break point due to the more agressive cover.
 


Update as you said moorich Rory H. drilled one his comments "Yeah, I have drilled one out.  I have the same statement about mine.  Similar motion to the Solid, but appears stronger.  I forget the drilling that I put on mine, but think it was something around 50 X 4.5 X 45 BH between P2 and P3."

Too soon to tell but kotm also gave me some input.
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Re: Response Strength
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 06:53:13 PM »
An update on my Response (Rory H):

The Drilling is 50 x 4.25 x 40. (PAP 4.75 Up .25)  There is nearly (I say nearly, cuz I think its 59/64 or something like that) 1 inch hole about 3" deep in between P2 and P3.  I wanted to experiment a little more before I put the balance hole in, but due finger weight and side weight left, it somewhat restricted me with the press that I have at my house (without altering the press height, etc..something I am not to keen on changing.)

Anywho, the details:

On a burnt up house shot that I basically use as the test ground with no drive on scoring, but more on just understanding my equipment.
House- Wood
Oil- Kegel (either Infinity or their latest)
Freshly resurfaced surface
Lane Machine- ION

I found this ball OOB to allow me to start a little farther to the right than I expected, but most of this is due to the type of lane machine and the amount of oil that is down lane and the lack of taper in the pattern.  It was easy to see that the front part of the lane was mostly toast.  However, this ball easily made it through the front and allowed me to get it to where I needed to have the ball walk in to the pocket.

I after throwing a few frames my initial reaction is to adjust to the surface of the ball to 2000 (or 1000) because I like to throw a little harder and have moderate revs 345-360.  Since I am in league play, I cannot (or should not do that) so I searched around and found a nice line for a 267.  The ironic part about where I was playing, was the week before, on the Fresh shot (because teams did not hit that pair in the first shift) I threw the exact same line with my N'tense (with a similar drilling) and shot 748 for a series.

At 4000 (and a drilling similar to mine) you may run into issues controlling breakpoint on a fresh condition when too much oil is on the lane.  However, that is what an N'Tense is for.  IMO, you can pretty much do whatever you wish to get this ball to fit in your bag. Whether it be a different drilling, surface adjustment, both, neither..lol... it can work.

I also threw this ball on a Kegel Challenge league on their 45 foot pattern.  Personally, I knew I had the wrong match up, but stuck with it any way.  I shot 622 or something like that.  Seriously, who would throw a ball at 4000 OOB, drilled somewhat flippy, and think that is a good idea.  Nevertheless, the ball handled the Infinity Oil applied by and ION on New Brunswick ProLane quite nicely.  This also verified my personal opinion that I need to lower the surface on the ball to 2000 grit.  However, even OOB finish proved to still keep you close.

Sorry for the long reply...but-

So basically, it appears to me the ranking would go:
N'tense
Response
Solid or N'sane (depends on your set up)
Mojave

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Re: Response Strength
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 06:16:40 AM »
alittle suprised.......With the "breakthrough study of spikes and pores" I would have expected it to be stronger than the N'tense.
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Re: Response Strength
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2008, 06:25:46 AM »
Keep in mind that the Response is 4000 OOB, the N'Tense is 1000 OOB.  I just punched up my Response yesterday and managed to throw a game or 2 last night  on a second shift shot.  I plan on getting some games in tonight on fresh, so I will provide a comparison with my N'Sane.  My initial impression so far is that the ball has a similar reaction shape as my N'Sane, but is several boards stronger in the back.  Both balls have the pin just above and to the right of the ring finger (approx 1 0'clock), and the cg just to the right of the center of my span. No weight holes in either ball, although I am toying with potentially adding a gradient line balance hole to the Response.  I will evaluate that decision after I bowl a few games on a fresh shot where I can get a better read on the balls reaction.  To be continued....

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Re: Response Strength
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 09:50:51 AM »

Strongest cover Mo has ever done, but castrated core.  I find the Response very cover prep dependent.  Box surface is very close to a box Nsane, but earlier and more continuous.  Sand it 400 and it is close prehaps stronger than a box Ntense with less quit (hook/stop) on the backend.

Box? order for Scotts profile
Ntense
LevRg
Nsane/Response (shape)
Solid
Mojave

I am close to drilling 3 or 4 of these.  Though considering what probably is coming, probably 2 now and 2 of whats coming down the road when my Seeks are finally fried.

Moooooorch, wait for this cover on a .035 Idiff or stronger core.  That ball will warp the time/space continuum.


 
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Too soon to tell but kotm also gave me some input.


Since when has he been back round here?

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