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charlest

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Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« on: November 14, 2005, 09:46:41 AM »
{Just for clarity's sake: Let me say that this post is not to place a blanket condemnation on MoRich balls. I have personally seen far too many people do well with new ones, which I see in my main center today, plus I have done well with a MoRich Labyrinth in the past. This post simply documents what I experienced with the Shock and Awe.}

OK. Now I have drilled 2 brand new S&As. One was drilled 3 times, the 2nd was drilled twice. 5 different drillings, 2 - 3 different surface changes per drilling. 4 -5 different lane surfaces (wood and synthetics), with 2 - 3 different oil amounts AND patterns per lane surface.

So I can honestly say this ball rolls, goes into a roll SUPER early unless a true high gloss polish, usable only on light - medium light oil patterns, is placed on this ball. Every other surface/drilling combination results in an early rolling, old fashioned curve ball reaction. Unless I hit dead flush or am playing an extreme outside angle (hitting 3/5 board), there is zero pin action and small carry power. The ball's coverstock (Activcator+) and my fingers provide the only force capable of overcoming this ball's overall reaction - super early roll.

How anyone gets backend reaction is beyond my powers of observation! I have spent more money on this ball and re-drillings than on any other ball EVER, between new ball purchases, re-drilling, time, driving to the driller, etc, my expenses must be in the $600 - $1000 range. Thus I will, more than likely, not experiment with another Morich ball again. Maybe its requrements are just beyond the level of my expertise. Certainly, others seem to be very happy with their S&As. My Intense Inferno with the same coverstock has been wonderful. Every surface change and every re-drilling has provided a new level of usage. I'm on my 3rd drilling of my original II and I still love it.

Heck, Mo Pinel, himself, in person, drilled my first Shock and Awe, after analyzing my delivery and release. Still didn't work.

If nothing else, this is final proof that not all balls work for all deliveries.
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2005, 12:10:29 PM »
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And in my case...I'm a hack!  


Me too Revs.  Join the club!

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Yeah...I throw MoRich and like it...and I'm a bowling God !!

RIGHT ?!?!? Did you see me write this anywhere!? Or....say that Morich makes you a better bowler ?!?  Hmm ?!?!?  If so, please find it!
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2005, 12:22:39 PM »
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A hack is somebody who bowls in one center, bowls well in that center but won't leave the nest because they can't bowl well anywhere else. If you can get them to leave the nest and they shoot 550 they will moan and complain instead of trying to figure out how to bowl better the next time they are there. They also refuse to learn anything new, but think their high scores make them the best bowler in the area.

 


I bowl in two houses for league.  Bowl tourny's all over mostly on tougher conditions mostly sport or flatter.  I have an open mind use lots of different kinds of equipment.....BUT I am still a HACK!  
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2005, 12:30:41 PM »
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I wouldn't say your a hack...I'd say that your a player that's learning and getting new experiences every day...thefore somebody who is willing to learn and get better is not a hack.


Hey..what do ya know....I'M NOT A HACK....I guess!

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One day Mo's hair will stop hypnotizeing you and you break away from the dark side!


Whatever

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I will say that you do have a love affair with the hair.  As soon as somebody posts anything negative about Mo ho ho, your useally the first one to the rescue!


whatever again......last time...not Mo....his equipment matches up w/ me nicely...what can I say

BTW...also,....if you noticed...usually I'm defending/clarifying some sort of symetrical vs. asymetrical post ....


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charlest

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2005, 01:09:03 PM »
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One day Mo's hair will stop hypnotizeing you and you break away from the dark side!

I will say that you do have a love affair with the hair.  As soon as somebody posts anything negative about Mo ho ho, your useally the first one to the rescue!
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Keith,

To paint a slightly more honest picture of Jeff, I think he's in love, NOT with Mo, but with what kotm (King of the Mill) has been able to do for Jeff with the excellent way in which he drills Jeff's MoRich balls.

To be honest, if I lived not too far away from where kotm works, I'd be more than tempted to see what he could do for me. Seeing as how we're about 1200 miles away, I'll keep pluging along as I have been.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2005, 02:36:39 PM »
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I would go see that guy too...

I'm just kidding around with Jeff...I know he is a good guy and a good BR member...
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Sweet! all is fair in love and ballreviews!

charlest...don't tell kotm!!!
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2005, 02:42:54 PM »
On the subject of KOTM, I just drilled two balls in accordance with his ideas. Without seeing me throw a ball he gave me layouts that did exactly what I wanted.  Yer darn tootin' I'd go to him for drilling if I was closer than 1800 miles (or whatever it is).  The guys either a genius or a warlock - or both.
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2005, 02:45:22 PM »
I wouldn't say low trackers/spinners are the only ones who match up with Mo equipment.. I was at a college tournament this past weekend and watched many guys (and a few girls ) throw MoRich equipment with success...  I don't seem to remember any of them being spinners...  saw a bunch of Total S&A's... and few S&A's, a wmb, and a few saharas...everything did seem to rev up fairly early (except for the bowlers with zero hand)...  but no one seemed to had bad hit/carry.

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2005, 03:42:27 PM »
The only Mo balls I've owned are the Colossus (gone) and the WMB (current).  KOTM helped me (remotely) set the ball up.  Every ball he's helped me with has been exactly what I was expecting.  KOTM is the MAN!  It seems like a pretty strong drill and more surface than I'd typically need, but the ball works well for me on anything with at least medium oil.  I'm very happy with it.  My specs are in my profile.  I track near my thumb and 1-1.5" from my middle finger.  Maybe a little lower with strong asymmetric cores like the WMB.

I wonder if the speed/rev rate numbers in your profile are accurate.  Ron Clifton has thrown my ball and it absolutely pukes on him.  His rev rate is dominant over his ball speed, so it burns up between the heads and midlane and dies an ugly death.

Either you don't match up with the ball at all, or maybe you got two blems?  Did you buy them at the same time and from the same place?  If not, it would be unlikely that they came from the same batch.
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2005, 03:46:08 PM »
charlest i wasnt saying you were having problem with new equipment

i was saying you might have the same problem i was having with the new morich equipment (vanguard and onslaught/mayhem/ta/ravage core)

just had to clarify

MO also laid out every morich ball ive owned

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charlest

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2005, 03:51:28 PM »
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I wouldn't say low trackers/spinners are the only ones who match up with Mo equipment.. I was at a college tournament this past weekend and watched many guys (and a few girls ) throw MoRich equipment with success...  I don't seem to remember any of them being spinners...  saw a bunch of Total S&A's... and few S&A's, a wmb, and a few saharas...everything did seem to rev up fairly early (except for the bowlers with zero hand)...  but no one seemed to had bad hit/carry.

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It is more than likely not related to spinners and low track, per se. With the Vanguard's very early roll, it probably benefits most those with a higher tilt and probably those with a higher rotation angle in their release.
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charlest

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2005, 03:57:26 PM »
"King",

Thanks for the offer; you know I don't normally hesitate to call you. We've talked before, long and hard. To be honest, I'm kind of tired of this experiment, AT THIS POINT IN TIME. The planets are not aligned; my house is in the crapper right now. I've got a few other experiments thatI;ve got to take off theback burner right now.

I do have one S&A left; just sold the other one. I'll try some surface adjustments, when it's turn next comes up. I'll report them, if I can remember. Then I'll check with you on the details and see what adjustments we can come up with. I suspect it will be after New Years; so, don't hold your breath. Thanks again.

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LuckyLefty

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2005, 11:48:29 PM »
Well for me...I have good news!

I finally picked out a drilling for a MO ball that was a Virgin...the T and A and I know I'm going to like itafter a quick one game test!

As is my opinionn of all these non particle particle coverstocks...It has a touch less than a similarly drilled reactive at the back but still plenty!  (I believe the original literature on all of these slightly less reactive reactives like the Infernos, and the Shock and awes and the Vertigos.

These balls hook more in the oil and just a touch less off the break on the dry!
Perfect for smoothing over under or perfect for carrydown if not severe!

This ball revs heavy like all mo balls but continues to turn and increase turn and hits!

I also did a few tweaks with my friends too strongly drilled(3 3/8 X strong MB on lighter volume oil) shock and awe which would sort of straighten out for him at back and then not hit.

I applied Track Magic clean and polish(1500 grit polish) and also tweaked his span which was a little jammed up causing his thumb and fingers to almost look like they were both in the ball at release.

He was killin it!

I believe maybe these balls are tough to redrill because weight taken out of top of core seems to be critical.  And I kept getting balls with 2 to 2 1/2 inch deep fingerholes for some reason from the used market!

I think I am going to collect some real high scores from this TA. Drilled 4 1/2 X 1 inch from thumb MB on positive side!  Pin up 2 1/2 inches!

Still a heavy emphasis on midlane with these balls but plenty of backend now on these two one time drilled balls!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS oh, I'm a high tracker with moderate tilt and strong side roll!
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2005, 08:49:27 AM »
I'm looking forward to trying this great cover on this high revvin core even more.

TA.

For today's shots on synthetics I can see this cover really handling fresh beautifully.

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