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nerdytoes

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leaving ten pin???
« on: August 12, 2008, 09:01:28 AM »
i don't know if anyone of you experience the same thing.  my friend and i both purchased the n'sane levrg. both drilled using mo' dual angel layout.  for some reason we leave a lot of ten pin?  is it because the ball is too strong for us or whatelse?  any advice will be helpful..  ball is oob..  4000 abralon..  thanks for advance

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Phoneman

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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2008, 12:57:45 PM »
I think you are missing my point a little.  If I owned center I would probably install these if they really do what they claim to and I believe they do.  My question is how do they do it?  If the device is just used to stiffen the gutter allowing it to bounce pins around better without moving then why wouldn't a piece of wood mounted in the same position do the same thing?  Why would I as a business owner pay what ever these cost per device when I could cut up a bunch of 2X4s and get the same result.  If they do something a piece of wood doesn't do then what is that?  I tried to find out on the website but there is very little there and I clicked on all the links about distributors and none of them have anything on thier websites about it.  I really am trying to learn more about them before I make a final judgement.  I just tried wikapedia and found nothing there about them

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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2008, 01:00:45 PM »
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I re looked at the video, since that is all I can find on them, and since I have never seen one in person I will have to take your statement that they are not springs but the round tubes in between the 2 solid plates certainly looked like springs to me on first view.  My question then is if they are stiffening the gutter how does that help the pins fly more?  If this does not move then why not just add a 2X4 in its place to do the same thing?


Nope not springs at all, the whole device is very solid.  Wood just does not provide the same effect that the metal wahsam does.  Its all in the design of the Wahsam...I have no data to back this up or anything, just what i have seen first hand...the pin action that results from the PROPER installation of the Wahsam is truly unreal.

They also offer a money back guarantee to allow centers to try them out and see first hand what the difference is.

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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2008, 01:06:01 PM »
Also one thing to add, when installing the Wahsam, you are taking advantage of the weight of the Pinsetter, strengthing the "bond" between the pindeck, flat gutters and side boards...this makes the entire pin deck area VERY lively
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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2008, 01:09:52 PM »
I agree that it is an interesting concept.  I was just trying to find out how.  I guess that might explain why some houses have higher scoring averages than others not the only reason but certianly could have an impact and the bowlers would never know.  I know I have run into houses that have "deeper" gutters and you can see that the 6 pin just lays there a lot more than other houses.  Again,  if I owned a center I would probably spend the $250 per lane to get them installed.  Might inflate scores but you are right higher scores make for happy "knuckleheads"...lol
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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2008, 10:04:53 AM »
nerd, I can understand how a ball seems to leave more 10 pins than others and you're disappointed. Obviously, this ball has a different entry angle and is releasing it's energy not at the appropriate time on the lane.

You can try to change your wrist position and increase your side turn. This will take the ball longer, storing more energy for the pins with an increased angle of entry, thus increasing your strike percentage.

You may also want to check your static wieghts and see if they're aiding in the ball burning sooner, i.e. less side, thumb and/or bottom weight. If so, a hole to increase the side, finger and/or top can help kick out some more 10 pins for you.

Polishing the ball to a higher grit will also keep the ball from burning too soon.

All three of these scenarios will help if the ball is burning too early without having to re-plug the ball for a layout issue.

If the ball is going too long, staying behind the ball longer with more forward roll will do the trick. Also, less finger, side and top weight can also help as well as dulling the surface for more traction in the oil.

If all of this fails, then a plug and redrill with a different layout is probably what's needed. Hope this helps. =:^D
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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2008, 04:22:28 PM »
or you could throw MoRich and solve your ten pin problem!!
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T-GOD

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2008, 05:31:32 PM »
cmoore,
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i don't know if anyone of you experience the same thing. my friend and i both purchased the n'sane levrg. both drilled using mo' dual angel layout. for some reason we leave a lot of ten pin? is it because the ball is too strong for us or whatelse? any advice will be helpful.. ball is oob.. 4000 abralon.. thanks for advance
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or you could throw MoRich and solve your ten pin problem!!
I believe he's already throwing a Morich ball. =:^D
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six pack

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« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2008, 05:40:45 PM »
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cmoore,
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i don't know if anyone of you experience the same thing. my friend and i both purchased the n'sane levrg. both drilled using mo' dual angel layout. for some reason we leave a lot of ten pin? is it because the ball is too strong for us or whatelse? any advice will be helpful.. ball is oob.. 4000 abralon.. thanks for advance
quote:
or you could throw MoRich and solve your ten pin problem!!
I believe he's already throwing a Morich ball. =:^D


or maybe you could try a MoRon ball!
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cmoore3wins

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2008, 09:46:12 PM »
^^^^^ Sell me one of yours ^^^^


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cmoore3wins

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2008, 09:48:55 PM »
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cmoore,
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i don't know if anyone of you experience the same thing. my friend and i both purchased the n'sane levrg. both drilled using mo' dual angel layout. for some reason we leave a lot of ten pin? is it because the ball is too strong for us or whatelse? any advice will be helpful.. ball is oob.. 4000 abralon.. thanks for advance
quote:
or you could throw MoRich and solve your ten pin problem!!
I believe he's already throwing a Morich ball. =:^D



GOOD POINT!!!!
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charlest

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« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2008, 09:57:35 PM »
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Leaving ten pins? It is not the bowling ball or how it is drilled. It is where you put yourself in the approach, your release, your initial target and breakpoint. If you are a right hand bowler you have three choices in taking the ten pin down. 1st Move back 6 inches in your approach 2nd Move towards your right a couple of boards from the same spot you are using 3er Lower the speed of your release from your same spot. You can practice those three choices or combine two of them. It all depends on you. Not the bowling ball, layout or lane conditions. There is one last observation you have to do it is  about how the 3, 6 and 10 pins are set by the pinsetter. Gauge the distances between them with how they look in regards to the same pins in the other lanes. You will be surprise of what you might see. Good Luck.


This is true.

But it is also true that with the huge MB strength of this and most of MoRich's balls, the MB position in the drilling is EXTREMELY sensitive to the bowler's ball speed, tilt and rotation. Once the ball is drilled, changes in these factors, plus changes as recommended by Borincano above are required when leaving many solid 10 pins.
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six pack

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2008, 09:54:17 AM »
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^^^^^ Sell me one of yours ^^^^


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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2008, 10:17:50 AM »
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Leaving ten pins? It is not the bowling ball or how it is drilled. It is where you put yourself in the approach, your release, your initial target and breakpoint. If you are a right hand bowler you have three choices in taking the ten pin down. 1st Move back 6 inches in your approach 2nd Move towards your right a couple of boards from the same spot you are using 3er Lower the speed of your release from your same spot. You can practice those three choices or combine two of them. It all depends on you. Not the bowling ball, layout or lane conditions. There is one last observation you have to do it is  about how the 3, 6 and 10 pins are set by the pinsetter. Gauge the distances between them with how they look in regards to the same pins in the other lanes. You will be surprise of what you might see. Good Luck.


This is true.

But it is also true that with the huge MB strength of this and most of MoRich's balls, the MB position in the drilling is EXTREMELY sensitive to the bowler's ball speed, tilt and rotation. Once the ball is drilled, changes in these factors, plus changes as recommended by Borincano above are required when leaving many solid 10 pins.
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This is also VERY TRUE.I find a psa of 75 will lay off for me as opposed to a psa of 60 will be a mid lane/back end monster.with strong diff balls it doesn't take much.both layouts work well but for very specific conditions.
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nerdytoes

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2008, 10:25:34 AM »
i would like to thanks all you guys and gals for your tips.  i shot quite well friday night. 218-237-234..  689 series and won all 4 of my brackets and 1 sidepot...  i moved approximately 5-6 inch back and half a board right...

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« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2008, 12:29:13 PM »
That is a good solid series and glad that the tips helped in getting those scores and the brackets. Keep that ball rolling and knocking out those pesty 10 pins. Congrats my friend.

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i would like to thanks all you guys and gals for your tips.  i shot quite well friday night. 218-237-234..  689 series and won all 4 of my brackets and 1 sidepot...  i moved approximately 5-6 inch back and half a board right...

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