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JS

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MOjave MB Diff?
« on: August 24, 2008, 04:06:14 PM »
In the Cores section on MoRich's site it states that the MOjave MB diff is .032
http://www.morichbowling.com/Products/Cores.htm

In the product write-up (and in BTM) it states that the MB diff is .008
http://www.morichbowling.com/MOjave/InfoSheet.asp

I think the Cores table has the typo and that the .032 Diff was also used as the MB diff.  If this is true and the core does have a MB diff of .008 is it truly an EZ Rev core?  If you look in the Cores table the lowest MB diff in an EZ Rev ball was .033  Seems like all of the strong asymmetry was taken out of the core.  Anyone know for sure?
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J_Mac

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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 12:33:59 AM »
Core table must have the typo, that is the only place that I've seen it MB diff. listed as anything other than .008 for the MOjave.
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charlest

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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 07:15:57 AM »
Based on BTM's test, I'd say the RG DIff was .032" and the MB differential is .008" to make it the true dry lanes ball it seems to be.

The problem is one of perception, as most of Mo's recent balls have had incredibly high MB differentials in the range of .032" which is the Mojave's RG differential. We just can't believe Mo would put such a low mass bias strength core in any ball. I guess enough people screamed at him for a true dry lanes ball.

John,

The Mojave's RG is also incredibly high at 2.62!!

Is it a "true" EZ Rev core? Without a hint of intended sarcasm, I'd say, If Mo says it is, then it is.

Here's a quote from the MoRich page: "MOjave is our mildest core/cover combination since The Pioneer."

Of course, you could just save a LOT of money and get a Neptune ....
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J_Mac

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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2008, 11:40:49 AM »
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Of course, you could just save a LOT of money and get a Neptune ....


He could even lay out a Pearl Avalanche and using Mo's "double thumb" layout technique get close to the undrilled numbers for the MOjave.

Thing is, with the MOjave he'd have those numbers to start with, and a knowledgeable driller could almost double the amount of undrilled MB and RG diff. in a MOjave with properly placed holes.
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charlest

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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 01:49:33 PM »
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Of course, you could just save a LOT of money and get a Neptune ....


He could even lay out a Pearl Avalanche and using Mo's "double thumb" layout technique get close to the undrilled numbers for the MOjave.

Thing is, with the MOjave he'd have those numbers to start with, and a knowledgeable driller could almost double the amount of undrilled MB and RG diff. in a MOjave with properly placed holes.
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But, J_Mac, JS is from New Jersey. We don't want to double the numbers on the Mojave. We want to halve them. (no joke can be VERY dry here)
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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 04:51:48 PM »
Based on the BTM test and this http://morichbowling.com/MOjave/InfoSheet.asp I would have to say that the core table is wrong (typo).
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khamûl

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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 10:57:20 PM »
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He could even lay out a Pearl Avalanche and using Mo's "double thumb" layout technique get close to the undrilled numbers for the MOjave.

lol,

Not even close to true... a double thumb av pearl can hit .049 tdiff and .022 idiff or higher pending core positioning and top weight before drilling.

A better corollary is a leveraged pin av pearl with a p1 to p2 hole is close to the undrilled dynamics (at least as far as diffs go) of a MoJave (at .026 & .005 plus or minus)... and the MoJave will still retain a higher average drilled RG.

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J_Mac

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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 11:05:02 PM »
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He could even lay out a Pearl Avalanche and using Mo's "double thumb" layout technique get close to the undrilled numbers for the MOjave.

lol,

Not even close to true... a double thumb av pearl can hit .049 tdiff and .022 idiff or higher pending core positioning and top weight before drilling.

A better corollary is a leveraged pin av pearl with a p1 to p2 hole is close to the undrilled dynamics (at least as far as diffs go) of a MoJave (at .026 & .005 plus or minus)... and the MoJave will still retain a higher average drilled RG.

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I wasn't going to get that specific, just giving an example of what can be done with a ball that many consider to have a weak engine in it.  

I don't have the newest publication from Mo in front of me, so I was just putting out rough figures.
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khamûl

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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 11:22:29 PM »


Sorry J...

Retirement does funny things to people.  I sold all my drilling stuff... then got real bored.  Spineing golf shafts is no longer any fun and bowling season is upon us... so I built a Rg swing.  Keeps me busy and is more entertaining than daytime TV. So Mo did publish his findings from USBC?
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khamûl

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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2008, 11:23:21 PM »
{/ending hijack, I really mean it]
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J_Mac

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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2008, 11:46:16 PM »
khamûl, don't worry too much about hijacking the post... JS already contacted me about my second response to this thread.  I'm sure he'd welcome any elaboration on that.

And yes, Mo did toss together about a 1" thick binder on his findings from the USBC study.  Basically all the slides from one of his latest industry presentation.
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Edited on 8/25/2008 11:49 PM
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NJStroker

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Re: MOjave MB Diff?
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2008, 11:00:45 AM »
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Of course, you could just save a LOT of money and get a Neptune ....


He could even lay out a Pearl Avalanche and using Mo's "double thumb" layout technique get close to the undrilled numbers for the MOjave.

Thing is, with the MOjave he'd have those numbers to start with, and a knowledgeable driller could almost double the amount of undrilled MB and RG diff. in a MOjave with properly placed holes.
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"A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice."  Bill Cosby
"Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."


But, J_Mac, JS is from New Jersey. We don't want to double the numbers on the Mojave. We want to halve them. (no joke can be VERY dry here)
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yes it does charlest, the farther south you go the dryer it is it seems lol because IT IS DRY HERE.
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