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BigScott

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Awesome Hook – Roto Epic, how do they compare?
« on: October 28, 2006, 10:51:27 AM »
All else being equal how do these two balls stack up against each other? I am a tweener looking to move inside to a more consistent shot in the oil on a THS (with a lot of oil in the middle). It seems that I currently fight over/under in the track area as the shot breaks down in a set & am considering a move inside in search of a more consistent reaction. I currently have an Epic that in my opinion is a great ball but has lost it’s “urge” to turn the corner on the back end and thus leave a lot of weak tens when I try to move in. I might just get another Epic but have seen others have great luck moving in with the Awesome Hook & wanted to hear from those who have had experienced it as well as the Epic. I look forward the Morich users replies who may have experienced both.

 

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Re: Awesome Hook – Roto Epic, how do they compare?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2006, 08:53:48 PM »
Unless you plan on really playing with the surface, the Awesome Hook is, by far and wide, much more of an oil ball than the Epic.  From my understanding, the Epic seems to work for you for the first game/couple of games -- until you have to move in.  I would consider an Epic Saga, or, if you think that will slide too much, a slightly-moderately polished Horizon Solid drilled for length with a strong backend (something like 4.5x4 and maybe a weight hole 1 inch down from your PAP).

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Re: Awesome Hook – Roto Epic, how do they compare?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2006, 08:31:04 AM »
Actually, and I should have posted this before, due to the lack of back end movement from my Epic I have been using my Silver Streak SE playing more around the track area or maybe even a little outside of that. As the oil line begins to move & I try to chase it, it seems an over/under condition becomes more prevalent. My thought is to get more of an oil ball & move inside to begin with and stay inside everyone else. I have tried to do this with my Epic, however it lacks the backend move to carry on a consistent basis. I didn’t have as much trouble with this in the past, and can’t decide if there is more oil inside or my Epic has just lost it’s pop. Thus I am considering drilling up another Epic or a different ball with more hook potential. Hmmm… the debate continues.

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Re: Awesome Hook – Roto Epic, how do they compare?
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2006, 01:15:21 PM »
i have an epic and a battle and i have seen that when there is enough oil that the epic will get to the pocket and not finish the battle shines. I have never seen an awesome hook used ,but if you like your epic i think the battle you will also like for when the epic doesnt have that last bit of umph.
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Re: Awesome Hook – Roto Epic, how do they compare?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2006, 01:38:16 PM »
Adding that you have an Silver Streak SE, I think the Horizon Solid with polish and length/hard arc drilling would work.  Or, you might consider an AMF 300 Radar Lock.
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Re: Awesome Hook – Roto Epic, how do they compare?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2006, 09:49:50 PM »
Awesome Hook will be far earlier and stronger than the epic will be, Awesome Hook is more comparable to Battle
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Re: Awesome Hook – Roto Epic, how do they compare?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2006, 08:40:51 AM »
Interesting replies being that this is a Morich thread. I have had great success with RotoGrip so I am definitely not afraid to go that way.  I did however check out the Radar Lock suggestion & that one definitely has caught my eye. Any other thoughts from you Morich guys? I should add that I recently witnessed a 244, 298, 300 – 842 set with the Awesome Hook the other night so its going to be hard not to pull the trigger on this one. Although the guy who shot it has a little more ball speed than I do. As far as the Battle/Awesome Hook comparison, from the reviews I have read the Awesome Hook may have more recovery than the Battle. Is this true? Keep the replies comin’

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Re: Awesome Hook – Roto Epic, how do they compare?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2006, 12:17:35 AM »
I get frustrated by watching the one person I know throwing a battle.  He seriously has 10 boards of area with that ball. He throws ~15-18 depending on the shot (no lie, he feels himself getting one in and turns up the speed somehow, and lets one out with less) and throws very little rotation in my opinion. The battle flat out KILLS the pins and I am the farthest thing you will find from a Roto fan after my experience with them.  The battle is very heavy rolling, so not inherently recovery prone, but I would say on the shot you are describing it may just be perfect.  I am using a sanded vapor zone to hit the same type of shot for me, and its working great b/c it won't over recover and nose job me if i leave it out.

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Re: Awesome Hook – Roto Epic, how do they compare?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2006, 06:20:49 PM »
Big Scott,
I am reading your posts, and kinda scratching my head. Both balls are great balls. There are a lot of factors to be considered..angle of attack, ball speed, and bowler style, just to name a few.

Monday night I was using my Battle and getting to the pocket just fine, because I knew there was a certain amount of carrydown there. My teamate was using the Awesome Hook and struggling to get it to the pocket. But.....he throws a spinner! So it was understandable. I eventually had to put my Battle away, and eventually he began to score with his AH. Doesn't mean that one ball is better than the other, just the different styles and conditions allowed each ball to flourish at different times of transition.
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Re: Awesome Hook – Roto Epic, how do they compare?
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2006, 06:48:24 AM »
Thanks for the reply Jesse. Just to clarify, I am a right-handed medium speed player with maybe a touch more hand than most so I will say medium-high rev. rate. My book average for last year was 223 although I am in the 2-teens this year. On any given night I start out with my Silver Streak Se playing about 11 out to five with good results.  The track area quickly burns up however to a point of what I would consider a pretty severe over/under condition forcing me to move in. If I pull the ball at all with my SSSE after I make this move it sails through the heads and lacks the carry power on the back end resulting in weak tens. If I miss right, especially in the early part of the lane it over reacts & heads through the nose (hence over/under). Last year I purchased an Epic that I had great results with and was able to move left right away (15 out to 8 or so) & stay inside the burned up area and carry well through the entire set, continually moving left. This year, it seems that when I try to do this with my Epic it lacks the back end reaction to carry consistently. I think there may be more oil in the middle of the lane this year or perhaps my current equipment needs to be replaced as I have a ton of games on my Epic. Thus leads me to this post. I am considering purchasing a new Epic for the sake of a new cover and that might just be the ticket, or something with a little more cover, which led me to look at the Awesome Hook. I didn’t post this comparison to ask which ball is “better” which is such a subjective term. I posted it to get feed back on how the Epic & Awesome hook compared to each other with all other factors being equal. Should one have more overall hook than the other? Should I expect more back end? Does one hook sooner, and so on.  I appreciate all who posted & now I am considering other equipment like the Horizon Solid, the Saga, & the Radar Lock peak my interest. I have read on these boards that the Saga is like an “SSSE on steroids”. If that’s the case, I feel like that ball might fit the bill. One of my teammates has an Epic Battle that died on him after about thirty games and after watching this I have to admit I am gun shy about the Battle. It sounds like the Awesome Hook might have too much shell to accomplish the look I am after. I hope this clears up the head scratching. The search continues……and I know it may be the Indian not the arrow.