Author Topic: First Impression TS&A (Read 1988 times)

scotts33 · « **on:** January 31, 2006, 11:14:10 PM »

I purchased a used 15 lb. TS&A from teneek/Steve. Although, I have used asymmetrical equipment before and have used one Mo piece an Onslaught...I'll have to say the experience was very interesting.

Basically went with as Steve had it laid out....moved thumb and changed finger pitches I use Vacu finger grips....sheesh Steve you got big paws. Sharp break point 3 3/8x5 Â½. Steve had a target X hole 2â€ right of mid grip but I filled and ball has 7/8 oz. positive. Surface is as Steve had it 1000 grit smooth. Needless to say I thought I wouldnâ€™t be able to control the ball on even a heavy medium condition.

Lane condition, I used it on for first 2 games last night was heavier medium blended not wet/dry oiled to 30 feel buffed to 39. Newer AMF HPL. No play 1st shift type condition.

I was surprised that I could play the track started sliding at 25 arrows at 14 breakpoint 6-7. Moved right but not fast enough to allow for carry down. 226. Moved right sliding 21 arrows 11 break point 6-7. 235. Went to an Ebonite The One the last game with OOB finish as heads went and TS&A was starting to burn up.

I had asked in another post last week in Misc. about poor releases symmetrical vs. asymmetrical. Most said asymmetricalâ€™s are more touchy. Well, I found that to be true with the TS&A at least on that lane condition with that drilling. Not that I actually mind the touchiness of the ball. If, I used more pieces like it I would become a better bowler as you have to concentrate on getting a better/cleaner release with this ball. I loved the early spin time and roll. Had to stay firm but it carried more off hits than most equipment out there. Seemed to carry light hits very well. I stayed more up the back of the ball. Around the side gave more length but also a goofy break point. Up the back gave a consistent ball reaction. I can see with some the Vanguard core could be a problem and that is why they may prefer the dual core as it maybe more forgiving.

Very happy with the TS&A and for me on this type of condition it isnâ€™t an over reacting ball like I thought it might be with this surface on this lane condition. I prefer this ball to the Onslaught I had probably just didnâ€™t match up well on the lane conditions I tried it on a few years ago.

More work to do with this ball to figure out what works best with surface and get a better cleaner release.

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chitown · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2006, 04:28:06 PM »

What cover grit does this ball come with? I read 400 matte. Is that like 400 grit scotch brite?

charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2006, 05:28:45 PM »

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What cover grit does this ball come with? I read 400 matte. Is that like 400 grit scotch brite?

why would you think they are different? 400 grit = 400 grit. period, unless it is not 400 grit, like a used maroon scotch-brite.

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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2006, 05:32:48 PM »

Scott,

even an asymmetric will not be touchy when you have a very strong solid resin like the C4+, on the TS&A, and you have a storng cover prep for that coversock - 1000 grit (to my mind it's strong for that coverstock). That should reduce the "touchiness".

VERY good bowling, by the way (the important part).

To my mind and eye, if you gloss-polished that cover, that would make it susceptible to a touch of "touchiness".

if you want to add more rotation, take the surface down to 600 grit to reduce the "goofy" part.

or wait for more dry.

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chitown · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2006, 07:25:54 PM »

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What cover grit does this ball come with? I read 400 matte. Is that like 400 grit scotch brite?

why would you think they are different? 400 grit = 400 grit. period, unless it is not 400 grit, like a used maroon scotch-brite.

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Charlest I seen a description that said 400 matte. I have never heard of 400 matte finish. I always thought a matte finish was like 1000 grit not 400. I know 400 grit is 400 grit. That's not what I was talking about. I was referring to 400 matte.

charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2006, 05:55:17 AM »

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What cover grit does this ball come with? I read 400 matte. Is that like 400 grit scotch brite?

why would you think they are different? 400 grit = 400 grit. period, unless it is not 400 grit, like a used maroon scotch-brite.

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Charlest I seen a description that said 400 matte. I have never heard of 400 matte finish. I always thought a matte finish was like 1000 grit not 400. I know 400 grit is 400 grit. That's not what I was talking about. I was referring to 400 matte.

In true real spoken English, matte is just another word for dull. To my mind, 400 grit matte just means it's been sanded (by any means) to 400 grit and not polished.

Now this bowling world having its own little language (just like the "computer" world in which I used to work), many people take normal every terms and twist them around and around and use them in ways that contort the brain, in ways that were never intended.

As far as I am concerned, if they mean something other than 400 grit, they should write what the <bleep> they mean. Until someone tells me otherwise, I must assume people mean exactly what they write. 400 grit matte = (explicitly and precisely) 400 grit dull - meaning not touched by vegetable, mineral, animal or humankind after it's been sanded to 400 grit.

Having seen more than one TS&A out of the box, I personally can't see that surface as being anything but 400 grit sanded.

If they mean 1000 grit, let them write <expletive deleted> 1000 grit.

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chitown · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2006, 10:38:03 AM »

Charlest I understand exactly what your talking about. The ad said 400 matte. The ad didn't have grit behind it. That's why I questioned it. I thought in the bowling world matte was considered 1000 grit. My mistake but I have heard that before. I'm sure you have as well. No biggie!

Well 400 grit seems that this ball could handle a ton of oil. Plus don't you think most heavy oil balls that if dulled to 400 grit would be just as strong as this one? Just curious.

The Track Animal came with a sheen finish. I believe it was 1000 grit. Well this ball with the sheen would handle med/heavy. Now if you knock the polish off and dulled it to 600 grit this ball was an "Animal" on heavy oil. This ball would hook on the heaviest patterns whenother balls wouldn't move. My point is this ball seems to be a strong ball for heavy oil by what I have heard. Is the only reason that this ball is so strong because of the 400 grit cover or is the core real strong like the animals core?

BallsDeep · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2006, 04:26:25 PM »

Yeah, the core is real strong. It is a strong asym. with a high mb diff and rg diff. The cover is also real strong, beefed up pk18 solid. With a mild drilling, even polished, you can't expect to use this for anything less than med/heavy.

Also, 400 grit oob is too much surface for most to ever use the ball.
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