Man, you beat me to the question. I was also debating on those two as well as the Cruel C51. Need something that's angular but still handle a decent amount of oil.

After doing up 5 LE for folks this week, I have seen these trends:

 

They like drilling angles between 55 and 65, VAL angles between 40 and 55, and pin distances of 4.5-4.75.  No holes to start.

They have shown to hook quite a bit, be continuous, and deal with higher volumes a touch sooner at 1k.

 

 

The video shows a direct comparison between a Primal and LE in the comparison section, similar layouts.

 

Edited by JustinWi on 4/16/2011 at 4:10 PM

Hey jkiser,

 

Haven't thrown the Cruel LE but my Primal TV4 is also as smooth as Kegeler51 describes (oob).  It allows me to stay in the friction throughout the nite (haven't done this since plastic/urethane) which makes conditions much easier to play as we're not having to "chase" an oil line thru transition.  The dry doesn't really get "that" much drier so moves are much more gradual.

 

This is still part of what I feel and have seen as a struggle to many bowlers.  Our equipment has hit a plateau in the last few years in regards to strength.  Out here in the west coast, I've seen bowls change lanes over  to synthetic (for quite some time now), change carpeting, flatscreens, seating..etc but they've never changed the machines (probably due to cost) on the backend.  As a result, we're not able to apply more oil because even a reactive ball won't return or we get too much push to the pin decks and that causes out of ranges (pins sliding straight across the deck and standing).  Based on this, our modern day equipment has overpowered the THS conditions easily causing a bowler to adapt to the ball vs the ball adapting to the bowler.

 

This is why I see Motiv being a much more useable and feasible piece these days. Hope this helps some...

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