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Bowl_Freak

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5-6 ball arsenal help- Motiv
« on: October 17, 2018, 11:45:37 AM »
So i've decided to go to grab some Motiv stuff and need some help filling out a 5-6 ball mini arsenal. Currently getting a Villian and Villian Scorn. Probably looking for 1 or 2 above and 1 or 2 below seeing as id like to have those 2 as my benchmark.
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Re: 5-6 ball arsenal help- Motiv
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2018, 12:13:55 PM »
Start with a Venom Shock. Then decide on a case by case basis if you need something more or something less.

You may not actually need 5 or more balls. I usually take a Venom Shock, Venom Cobra and Ascent Apex. These three balls are more than sufficient to cover %95 of all THS you will see.

As for the higher end oilers from Motiv, you probably won't need them unless you are on some of the long heavy sport shots.
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Re: 5-6 ball arsenal help- Motiv
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2018, 12:49:36 PM »
Personally if you're doing a 5-6 ball arsenal I don't think a Villain and Villain Scorn is necessary unless you see higher volume of oil, and wet/dry often. I'm partial to the Hydra and Tag Cannon because I love mine

Villain Scorn
Venom Shock
Hydra/Tag Cannon

I feel like those 3 would be and to cover just about any medium condition. Any additional balls would just depend on what conditions you see.
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Re: 5-6 ball arsenal help- Motiv
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2018, 01:12:09 PM »
I agree with Milo for the most part.

Problem I see is not knowing where you are coming from.  What is your arsenal now and why change?  Do you have any experience with Motiv equipment?  What is your style and what are the conditions?

Using the Villain and Villain Scorn as a benchmark tells me you see a lot of oil and/or you are speed dominant.  If that isn't you then you may want to re-evaluate your benchmark ball in the Motiv line.

I like the idea of the Venom Shock as your everyday 1st ball out on THS.  The cover can easily be adjusted for length of pattern and it is strong enough for even medium-medium heavy THS.

Beyond that will depend on how you like to attack patterns.  I personally like to ball UP when I move inside (me being more rev dominant).  That would be something like the Lethal Paranoia or Villain Scorn depending on how comfortable you are getting deep.
Below the Venom Shock you could use a Venom Cobra, Hydra or Tag Cannon if you can find one or Freestyle Rush as a bigger step down.

Beyond those three balls you would need to fill holes based on the types of shots you see outside of THS.

Long oil sport patterns - Villain Scorn/Trident Quest/Jackal Ghost
Short sport patterns - Venom Shock/Tank/Combat Tank
Medium sport - THS equipment with possible surface adjustments

After all that, getting one ball and then deciding on what direction you need to go will be the best route in my opinion.  Just going out and getting 5-6 balls with no understanding of their reactions for YOU will be a wild ass guess.  And that will only piss you off.
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Re: 5-6 ball arsenal help- Motiv
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2018, 02:23:29 PM »
I don't have my stats, but i have bowled 35yrs and carry a 220+avg. I know my speed is between 15-16mph and i track pretty close to both fingers and thumb. My last PAP was 5 1/2 x 3/8^. I have thrown the Villian before and i like the reaction i got from it before but since then i have gone from 15 to 16lbs. I use to be a strictly straight bowler throwing 17-18 up the lane. Kinda similar to Haugen is who i compare to or McCune. But recently i have adjusted to moving left and learning to hook more, seems to give me more room to carry and also more room for crazy splits. But I'm no stranger to the game and had my PBA card 1 season and bowling 2 regionals, cashing in both before shoulder surgery took it away from me. So i haven't ordered the Scorn yet, but am getting a plugged Villian for sure. I bowl mostly THS leagues and various out of town tourneys, GTO, Southwest Tourney, this year going to Ozarks. 
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Re: 5-6 ball arsenal help- Motiv
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2018, 10:56:54 AM »
I am a speed dominant bowler.  Therefore I am able to use stronger equipment.  If I were adding to the Villian and Villian Score, I would add a Jackal Ghost, Rogue Blade and Hydra. 
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Re: 5-6 ball arsenal help- Motiv
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2018, 11:08:02 AM »
I just got my Motiv trident Abyss and bowled 729 and 699 with it on THS. I am a higher than average speed bowler also on the lower rev side so it works for me. If this is you, get one.
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Re: 5-6 ball arsenal help- Motiv
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2018, 11:27:04 AM »
Quote from: CPA on October 18, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
I am a speed dominant bowler.  Therefore I am able to use stronger equipment.  If I were adding to the Villian and Villian Score, I would add a Jackal Ghost, Rogue Blade and Hydra. 

Would be a good arsenal as you formentioned.
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Re: 5-6 ball arsenal help- Motiv
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2018, 12:03:42 PM »
Quote from: CPA on October 18, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
I am a speed dominant bowler.  Therefore I am able to use stronger equipment.  If I were adding to the Villian and Villian Score, I would add a Jackal Ghost, Rogue Blade and Hydra. 

That does sound good.  For speed dominant bowler, the Rogue Blade over the Venom Shock isn't a bad suggestion.  I personally don't have as much experience with the Rogue Blade since the Venom Shock is my everyday ball.
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