After my Dr forced me to drop to 12# balls because of back problems, I chose MOTIV for the first time and selected the 12# Primal Scream. I have had such surprisingly good success with it, that as a second 12# ball, I chose MOTIV balls again. I had my pro shop order a 12# Thrash Frenzy Saturday. Anxious to get it in, drilled, and try it. Am thinking about putting the exact same layout on it as my Primal Scream which is 50* x 3 3/8 x 65* with a P3 hole and Pin under RF.