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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: lilpossum1 on October 11, 2013, 12:48:11 PM
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It is time for me to replace my 811c/t, and I am looking for a good benchmark ball. I was thinking about trying motiv this time around, but having only seen one motiv ball thrown in my area, and that was only for a few frames as it did not match up well to the condition (primal rage.) I have no idea what would be best for a ball
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What condition do you normally see? What type of ball typically works best for you? DV8 Misfit pearl has been my benchmark this season but I have a lot of revs and bowl on a fairly dry THS
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I typically see a medium condition, and my nightmare is plenty enough ball for anything wetter. I do not like a jumpy reaction, but I also do not like a ball to hook really early. Also, I am looking for something with a little more length to replace my 300c pearl, while still maintaining a smooth reaction
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A Venom Toxin or Venom Strike would be a good fit. The Toxin is a hybrid with polish and the Strike is a solid. I prefer the Toxin as a benchmark ball. I find I can use it on more conditions and read the pattern well with it.
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How do they compare to eachother and to the 811c/t and 300c?
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A Venom Toxin or Venom Strike would be a good fit. The Toxin is a hybrid with polish and the Strike is a solid. I prefer the Toxin as a benchmark ball. I find I can use it on more conditions and read the pattern well with it.
I have both the Toxin and the Strike. They're both very good balls that complement each other well. It depends on how you personally define a benchmark ball, but between these two, for that purpose, I'd go with the Strike. The solid unpolished cover reads the mid lane a bit better, but still has decent length and a smooth (not jumpy) backend reaction. I find the Strike to be more usable over a broader range of conditions. Mine is drilled with the pin below ring.
In any case, the Primal Rage is not the ball you'd want to consider for your purposes. I love mine, but it's all move off the friction.
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If its benchmark....I think solid. I would try the primal scream...
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If its benchmark....I think solid. I would try the primal scream...
Solid is usually what makes for a good benchmark ball, no question. The Primal Scream would also make a good choice. The Scream is a little more aggressive than the Strike, so it comes down to what matches up better as a benchmark based on speed and revs.
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If its benchmark....I think solid. I would try the primal scream...
Solid is usually what makes for a good benchmark ball, no question. The Primal Scream would also make a good choice. The Scream is a little more aggressive than the Strike, so it comes down to what matches up better as a benchmark based on speed and revs.
Right. But I cant start out with Midprice...theres not much to ball down to! Hehe..no fun!
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Right. But I cant start out with Midprice...theres not much to ball down to! Hehe..no fun!
Good point and yea, the Strike is Mid-price. But the Strike is more aggressive than advertised. There is nothing lighter oil about this ball.
I agree that the Scream would probably be a better benchmark for many bowlers, but depending what you're trying to figure out as a benchmark, the Strike can be a good option. In my case, the Strike is what I tend to gravitate too.
On this subject, I recently went to a seminar co-hosted by Chris Barnes. His philosophy is to start with a very aggressive ball off the corner to gauge the condition and decide where to go from there. He feels it gets him to his final ball choice faster than starting with a medium strength piece. It's an interesting perspective.
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wow the chris barnes take is intresting...never thought of it like that....
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I've had the Scream, Strike and Toxin and I have to say the Scream was stronger for me. The Strike was a strong rolling ball, but it was more readable and controllable. The Toxin was way to angular for what I was looking for. I did have the Strike pin down below my ring finger and the Strike was pin above the bridge. They are both more of a strong arc move for me with the Strike just under the Scream. You may want to look at the new DV8 Dude with the hybrid cover. Just my $.02, Bruce
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I am a stroker with 15.5-17 mph at the sensors depending on the condition. The scream and toxin are both striking my fancy. Is the scream angular or controllable? I cannot tell from the videos
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Also, what is the rage like with a control drilling and maybe a lower grit surface?
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Well I have the rage and it is strong...on our ths it was good but a lower grit(3k-4k) would of allowed it to perform better ... But it was a hard hitting ball. I'd also agree with a solid being a benchmark,I use my insite almighty at 4k + polish cause that's been the ball that scores when nothing else does....
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Also, what is the rage like with a control drilling and maybe a lower grit surface?
You dont take a ball that isnt designed to be a benchmark and alter it to become one. If you want benchmark, then go benchmark. Also have to remember that mid priced balls are stronger now than they were 5 years ago. If you want something to replace the 811, then look at the 706 C/A. The cover is a hybrid that has has the cover from the 811 as part of the cover. It will give you some midlane roll like a benchmark mark but a little angularity without being flippy.
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Diva is my benchmark. It is just a very even rolling ball with very middle of the road specs that takes well to surface changes. Had success with it on everything from 32-52', its a great ball.
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The Venom Toxin is about five boards stronger than the Venom Strike. The Primal Scream is similar to the Venom Toxin, but for me less angular. Typically a benchmark ball is a solid with a consistent reaction. That would be the Venom Strike. It really depends on your style and personal preference. The final answer is whatever ball lets you read the pattern.
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Radical Torrid Affair and for the price it is hard to beat. One of, if not the best, balls on the market for its price.