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tunaman4u2

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Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« on: December 19, 2019, 04:52:07 PM »
I've seen the video reviews and comparisons. Just wanted to know what's been working for league house shots, whats more forgiving, what's a unique reaction etc
Thanks for the input!
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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2019, 05:18:01 PM »
Covert Tank is early to roll and doesn't seem to cover many boards from front to back. In my opinion, the core is too strong for the cover. If you take the cover to a lower(more aggressive) surface, then it just loses energy too fast. I suppose of you have higher ball speed and major rotation, then it might work okay, but otherwise, it's below average. It would probably be useful in controlling a short and heavy flat pattern(for me).

The Supra is about as opposite of a reaction as you can get. It seems to slide forever down lane, then makes a sudden turn across the lane. I find the ball to be excellent as the track on a THS drys out some and I need to move deeper. It's a great ball for bouncing off the burn and gets back with very good energy to the target. If you are looking at carry down along with a burn area, this wouldn't be a good choice. If you have a lot of oil, or even medium-heavy oil, this isn't the ball in my opinion. Even if you have the hand to make the ball read the break point, it's more than likely going to put you in over-under hell.

So, to sum it up;
Covert - Early rolling, sluggish down lane with not a lot of movement.
Supra - Slides a long way, then makes a sudden turn with good energy at the end if the conditions are favorable for what the ball is designed to do.
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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2019, 09:35:31 PM »
I agree with Milo entirely.

Strength wise they are all similar on house patterns, Covert Earliest, then Hydra, then Supra.

I'll try and get some video Sunday morning when I practice with those three. I love all of them, for different reasons, Supra is so angular it's actually the least useable for me, but everyone will match up differently.
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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2019, 08:11:02 AM »
I pretty much agree with the above comments.  I use my covert tank as a spare ball, if you have no hand or high ball speed then I believe there are better choices especially if you are not good at changing hand positions.  I bowl on a higher volume house shot and with a stronger hand position the tank is too much on top of the friction but going left really isn’t an option due the above comments on the core/cover combo.  Going more end over end allows me to play the friction but I see a huge decrease in carry.  I have used it on a short sport shot where the gutter was in play and it was amazing mostly because I was able to control the ball down lane.  I do agree the core and cover seem to fight each other and getting aggressive on the surface makes it so early that it quits down lane.

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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2019, 12:40:22 PM »
Thanks guys!

Seems like people are excited about the Supra & Covert Tank but the Hydra wasn't as popular.

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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2019, 12:47:36 PM »
Don't sleep on the Hydra with its Hexion cover stock and light bulb core.  I personally think its the most versatile and the best of the three.  Great transition step down ball for me.
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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2019, 12:58:32 PM »
Seems like people are excited about the Supra & Covert Tank but the Hydra wasn't as popular.

Hydra is the updated version of the Tag Cannon. I personally love the Tag Cannon as it works on a wider variety of conditions than I had expected. From medium-lighter house conditions to short-mid length sport shots with defined friction later in blocks

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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2019, 09:14:57 AM »
Thanks guys! The Hydra seems like the better step down ball for late ths league. Supra may be too much and covert tank too early and not great from deep. Really interested to see what motiv adds next. Their only hole on the website is between the Hydra and the thrill.

I have an old rebel tank. Love that ball for awful lanes. Same core as Hydra.

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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2019, 09:24:23 AM »
Thanks guys! The Hydra seems like the better step down ball for late ths league. Supra may be too much and covert tank too early and not great from deep. Really interested to see what motiv adds next. Their only hole on the website is between the Hydra and the thrill.

I have an old rebel tank. Love that ball for awful lanes. Same core as Hydra.

Had some family holiday events pop up so didn't get a chance to go practice today, but I'll get the video camera out in the next week to compare the three.

The Covert Tank does something pretty unique, as it still clears the heads pretty well, and shapes very Urethane like downlane (it also takes polish extremely well), so you don't have to chase the pattern in with it.

The Hydra is darn good, it's a little earlier and rounder than the Supra, they, on the china at least, hook about the same for me, but the Supra is substantially more angular.
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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2019, 01:08:38 PM »
Quick video, long version with many more shots will get uploaded tonight.
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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2019, 04:34:40 PM »
Solid! Personally the Hydra looks the best for my arsenal needs. Something that doesn't fly off the back ends but can still finish strong if played straighter

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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2019, 06:10:58 PM »
House shot and surface makes them all look pretty much the same to me within a few boards of each other.  Video them on a 6:1 then  you might see more separation with OOB designed surface.
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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2019, 07:23:25 PM »
House shot and surface makes them all look pretty much the same to me within a few boards of each other.  Video them on a 6:1 then  you might see more separation with OOB designed surface.

I'm in total agreement with you on that, but outside of a tournament once or twice a month I can't get access to a 6:1 or flatter pattern in my area, so that's unfortunately out of the question. I have a longer cut of that video posting later (long video so it's taking a long time to upload), it has quite a few non-strike shots as I didn't chop out other shots, but you can see more of the shape difference, which still isn't a ton. I can tell you, the Blitz starts rolling so early, it is NOT my choice on that house pattern, the Supra looked by far the best and gave me the world.
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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2019, 07:39:36 PM »
What's your step down ball from the Supra?1

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Re: Differences between Supra Hydra & Covert Tank on THS
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2019, 07:54:21 PM »
What's your step down ball from the Supra?1

My Progression is Supra -> Hydra if lanes are transitioning and I just run out of lane with the Supra (kind of hard to do, Supra is ideal for chasing the pattern in). If the backends are too strong I have two Covert Tanks, the one in the video I shared with the same layout as the Hydra an Supra at box finish and it works well and controlling strong backends, and I have a second one drilled weaker, and polished, and that ball is a pure grind it out on lanes that are hooking a lot.

On Edit: Longer version of earlier video

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