I agree that that they've gone overboard with the skip/flippy stuff lately. What originally drew me to Motiv was their focus on even rolling control. I recently wanted another solid medium/heavy control piece for my sport shot league, and I ended up going with a Storm IQ Tour.

I hope that sometime in 2014 they start getting back to their roots.

Motiv was known for great "control" balls.  Even when you look at earlier attempts at more of a skid flip reaction (Primal Impulse, QZ2, Raptor Attack), it was apparent their covers weren't up to par in reaction time as other companies like Storm/Roto or even Ebonite.  So what you end up with is a line up of a bunch of even rolling pearls where the goal was to have skid/snap reactions.  This was Motiv's "hole" up and down their line up.

Now, Motiv has the cover technology to produce a skid/snap ball much like the other bigger name companies.  Once they got that, they needed to fill in their line up, which equates to about 4 balls.

Plus, Motiv releases balls differently than other companies.  Instead of releasing 4-6 balls at say, BowlExpo, Motiv releases 1 ball about every 6 weeks. 

Motiv has an even rolling ball at each performance category (except perhaps medium heavy with the Primal Scream, though cover changes can fix that). 

really interested in picking one up...this would be like a step or 2 up from the venom toxin correct? im thinking this ball first game and then to the toxin....

IMO even with the stronger pearl covers Whiplash and Fusion you can make them less skid/snap with layout-weaker and lower surface grits rather than polish.  Plus even over 1500/Motiv Power Gel Polish or 2000/Motiv Power Gel Polish I have never been able to replicate those OOB finishes.  I did recently find another way to replicate them to a close OOB appearance and ball motion.

Here is a pic of Tribal which is not at all skid/snap with OOB cover.
75*(PAP-pin-PSA)x5"x65*  I have a Venom Strike with same layout and very much the control layout.

Quote from: Brickguy221 on November 06, 2013, 10:24:57 PM

Is the Primal Scream flippy?

On its intended oil patterns (medium to medium-heavy oil for avg speed & revs bowler) , yes, as far as I have seen. On other patterns, no.
One guy used it Tuesday night in league on a medium-light oil pattern; he left a 5/7/10 with it. Some people never know when to use new balls. And, of course, it was drilled fairly full strength, what people used to call stacked leverage.

In my being forced to drop to 12# because of recent back surgery (Dr's orders) my driller Anne Marie Duggan has suggested the Primal Scream for me to start and then go from there. She doesn't carry Motiv, but has drilled a few Primal Screams and she likes what she has seen for different styles and thinks it would work well and carry the best for me in 12# weights.

Would the Sigma Sting be above the Primal since it has a low rg and low diff where as the Primal has a high Rg and high diff?

No. Regardless of which primal you're talking about. The low rg should help it hook earlier, but the low diff would create less overall flare potential. Maybe if theyre drilled radicallly different from each other, but typically, the sting should be more even and less overall than either Primal.

Matt

It will go in the middle between the Thrash Frenzy and Sigma Hybrid and fill that hole.  It's where the Sigma Tour was.  I am not sure how it will wind up being that Sigma Tour was an Atomix Solid to a Fusion Pearl on the Sting.  Fusion and Whiplash covers are stronger than the covers used previously. 

http://www.motivbowling.com/resources/ball-guide.html

Matt: I appreciate the explanation. I think Motiv is on the right track and i believe with the last few skid flip releases it is really making their line up an all around product. The Fusion pearl cover has put Motiv on the map. Do you think the Cruel Intent is going to be a versatile ball (drilling wise) for the Medium to Heavy patterns?