Author Topic: I give up on my Octane (Read 7417 times)

Brickguy221 · « **on:** February 17, 2015, 05:12:10 PM »

I give up on my Octane. I have approx 30 game on it, have tried several cover changes and it still doesn't perform for me. I haven't had a decent game nor series since I have had it. I83 is the best game I have had with most games in the 140-160 range. Today was another example in that I bowled 135-147 and then got out my Primal Rage and bowled 235. This is not the first time these type scores have happened with these 2 balls. I have come to the conclusion that in my old age, strong late breaking skid/flip type balls like the Octane is not for me any more.

So, I am going to park it and think about selling it. It is 13#. Going to pull my 12# Thrash Frenzy out ot the closet to replace it until I can get another 13# ball in the Octane's place.

scotts33 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2015, 06:14:18 PM »

But Jim you say you can score with your Primal Rage which is a skid flip ball. Something doesn't add up. Layouts must be different?

Thrash Frenzy gets length also but is a rounder arc for the majority which I believe you like to see easier to read lane. Is your Primal Rage pin down or ?

I don't have an Octane but I have seen a number of them thrown and that cover gets long length and snappy. One would think the Primal Rage would read the lane much the same way if layouts are close. Primal Rage cover and Thrash Frenzy cover as same Whiplash Pearl. The Octane Agility SFX cover is completely different....I would belive it's more the cover you don't match up with.

Watch others use a Turmoil MFS (solid 4000) in the Venom Shock or Turmoil MFP (pearl 5000) in the Venom Panic. I have a Venom, Shock pin in ring OOB that reads slightly earlier and very arcing for me. The low RG Gear core tends to roll earlier than the Q!uadfire and the covers are plenty strong enough in either Venom.

Sometimes you just have to cut bait and move on rather than struggle with a ball. We have all had this situation one time or another.

vkowalski1970 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2015, 07:02:10 PM »

I had same issue with Tribal Fire. Couldn't figure it out. Changed to every surface imaginable. Finally said enough. Sold it. Every other Motiv ball I have has been excellent. The Apex took a few cover changes but it's money now for me. Both revolts and shock are great. Jackal is a beast. Getting my panic this weekend

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2015, 08:26:17 PM »

Scotts, both balls are drilled identical @ 40* x 3 7/8 x 65*. The Octane goes longer than the Rage and snaps harder than the Rage of which it is designed to do due to it's type cover. Original NIB cover gave a very late hockey stick look and I have never done well with that look on any brand of ball. Rage never had done that from day one, it simply moves a bit earlier than the Octane and has great continuation thru the pins whereas the Octane doesn't always have that continuation. Changing the cover on the Octane can give it a looks close to the Rage as well as earlier also if desired, but when doing that, it is DOA at the pin deck. The Rage hooks a wee bit later than the Thrash Frenzy, but it is not a skid-snap type hook like the Octane was designed to do.

Another factor is if there is any carry down at all, the Octane can get touchy whereas, the Rage ignores it and continues it's move. I mean this thing today isn't a one time thing, it happens every time I bowl with the 2 balls, low games with the Octane and higher games with the Rage.

You are correct that I don't match up with the cover, thus the whole ball.

cheech · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2015, 10:22:16 PM »

isnt the primal rage asymmetrical? if thats the case the layout you have on both balls will react differently because one is on an asymmetrical core and the other is on a symmetrical core

without knowing your game at all the 3 7/8" layout on a symmetrical core like the octane is very strong and early revving. is it possibly the ball is rolling too early and burning up? when my bowling balls are reacting too early they often have over under issues

scotts33 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2015, 12:00:45 AM »

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You are correct that I don't match up with the cover, thus the whole ball.

Exactly Jim! Note.....it's ALL about the cover. You got it. Users have to figure out how they match up to mainly cover then core/layout!

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isnt the primal rage asymmetrical?

No symmetrical. Impulse V2 core and Fusion Pearl which I was wrong about confusing Whiplash Pearl with the Thrash Frenzy. It's about cover more than anything and also why Motiv is successful now vs. weak covers which were iffy....Moitv is a force now. It's about their modern high tech covers. Now the Gear core is very effective. GT1 ehhhhhhh. Except for rev dominant players or off the corner leftie s from inside it was just another ball unless you has uber rev dominant. Modern high carry balls are about cover.

JazlarVonSteich · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2015, 08:51:54 AM »

Quote from: vkowalski1970 on February 17, 2015, 07:02:10 PM

I had same issue with Tribal Fire. Couldn't figure it out. Changed to every surface imaginable. Finally said enough. Sold it. Every other Motiv ball I have has been excellent. The Apex took a few cover changes but it's money now for me. Both revolts and shock are great. Jackal is a beast. Getting my panic this weekend

What surface did you end up settling on with the Apex? I tried the box finish and at 2000 (I think) dull. Haven't seen a real great reaction with either.

vkowalski1970 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2015, 10:56:34 AM »

I'm a higher tilt player and never use polish. I found this cover to be very strong compared to the core. I ended up 4000 and polishe and surprisingly its great. I never ever could throw 4000 polished anything

Joker-1 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2015, 02:20:44 PM »

Quote from: scotts33 on February 17, 2015, 06:14:18 PM

But Jim you say you can score with your Primal Rage which is a skid flip ball. Something doesn't add up. Layouts must be different?

Thrash Frenzy gets length also but is a rounder arc for the majority which I believe you like to see easier to read lane. Is your Primal Rage pin down or ?

I don't have an Octane but I have seen a number of them thrown and that cover gets long length and snappy. One would think the Primal Rage would read the lane much the same way if layouts are close. Primal Rage cover and Thrash Frenzy cover as same Whiplash Pearl. The Octane Agility SFX cover is completely different....I would belive it's more the cover you don't match up with.

Watch others use a Turmoil MFS (solid 4000) in the Venom Shock or Turmoil MFP (pearl 5000) in the Venom Panic. I have a Venom, Shock pin in ring OOB that reads slightly earlier and very arcing for me. The low RG Gear core tends to roll earlier than the Q!uadfire and the covers are plenty strong enough in either Venom.

Sometimes you just have to cut bait and move on rather than struggle with a ball. We have all had this situation one time or another.

I think scotts right, maybe the core doesnt match up to your style. I did hear A LOT of people complain about the octane moreso than any other motiv ball so youre not alone

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #9 on:** February 18, 2015, 02:35:29 PM »

I'm about there with my Schizo.....it has it's place, I think that it will be more of a specific reaction that will be better suited for the PBA patterns over the summer where I have to really get in and hook it. There is nothing wrong w/the ball in itself, but for the THS though, I'm not a big fan.

Sometimes these things happen.

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2015, 04:07:39 PM »

Quote from: Joker-1 on February 18, 2015, 02:20:44 PM

Quote from: scotts33 on February 17, 2015, 06:14:18 PM
But Jim you say you can score with your Primal Rage which is a skid flip ball. Something doesn't add up. Layouts must be different?

Thrash Frenzy gets length also but is a rounder arc for the majority which I believe you like to see easier to read lane. Is your Primal Rage pin down or ?

I don't have an Octane but I have seen a number of them thrown and that cover gets long length and snappy. One would think the Primal Rage would read the lane much the same way if layouts are close. Primal Rage cover and Thrash Frenzy cover as same Whiplash Pearl. The Octane Agility SFX cover is completely different....I would belive it's more the cover you don't match up with.

Watch others use a Turmoil MFS (solid 4000) in the Venom Shock or Turmoil MFP (pearl 5000) in the Venom Panic. I have a Venom, Shock pin in ring OOB that reads slightly earlier and very arcing for me. The low RG Gear core tends to roll earlier than the Q!uadfire and the covers are plenty strong enough in either Venom.

Sometimes you just have to cut bait and move on rather than struggle with a ball. We have all had this situation one time or another.

I think scotts right, maybe the core doesnt match up to your style. I did hear A LOT of people complain about the octane moreso than any other motiv ball so youre not alone

I had the Thrash Frenzy with the same core as Octane and it became the first ball out of my bag. So versatile and worked on all kinds of conditions. Thus the reason I got the Octane as it has the same core. Since the Octane doesn't work, it is the definitely the cover as Scotts said and I agreed with in an earlier post.

2handedrook12 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2015, 08:12:58 PM »

Why not get a second Primal Rage and drill it differently?

Author Topic: I give up on my Octane (Read 7417 times)

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