Regardless of what the truth is, the USBC and specifically Mr. Murphy have lost all credibility.

Quote from: 12XSECH on March 16, 2016, 10:52:02 AM

The Jackal has been out since 2014....what took till 2016 for the usbc to "discover" this? Oh lets go travel the country and do field tests on the Jackals....But they dont have money for a plastic key chain? If they went around field tested other companies balls all equally and then found this....thats one thing BUT it appears they did not do this. Motiv was targeted and plain and simple.

Targeted by whom, USBC? Again, another accusation with zero evidence to support it. Nobody here knows how this got started and why. We have a bunch of conspiracy theorists claiming that it must have been because some Motiv balls looked good on TV shows. Well, there have been tons of hot balls on TV over the years, and we haven't seen this happen before. I watched the shows in question, and while the Carnage looked good, it didn't look like anything out of the ordinary. Again, somehow USBC got wind that something was up, so they tested the balls, and they found them to be dirty. As such, they had to be pulled. Until or unless Chad Murphy or someone else WITH FACTUAL INFORMATION to tell us how everything went down, we're all doing nothing but speculating.

Lastly, 12, you mentioned USBC basically screwing over Open Chanpionships bowlers who were already there ready to use those balls. My first response is how is that USBC's problem? That is a MOTIV problem. In my world, Motiv should've contacted the people running their booth and told them to swap out the Jackals and/or Carnages for anything they had on site, and if the bowler didn't want another Motiv piece, they should've paid to let that bowler replace the Jackal or Carnage with anything that bowler wanted (of comparable value) from any other booth there. I can't imagine there were 100 bowlers there with this problem. As such, you really only had to get through a couple of days. After that, word should be out in plenty of time for bowlers to make other arrangements. Still though, that is a Motiv problem, not a USBC issue.

But hey, why let a complete and total lack of factual support stop you from hurling allegations at people and USBC as a whole. What's next? Is USBC secretly working with ISIS? Are they in cahoots with the Trump campaign? Just keep letting the crap fly, and we'll see if any of it sticks.

How the USBC found out was a case of balls was anonymously sent to them with a note that read spin me. After they did they bought random balls from the market place and tested them as well and they were over. The letter is on BBE from Motiv that states this.

Regardless of what the truth is, the USBC and specifically Mr. Murphy have lost all credibility.

Ah, I was wondering when our other resident USBC hater would chime in. I swear, USBC officials could rescue a convention center full of orphans from a fire, and you'd find a way to criticize them for it. It would be something about the fact they should have spent the time working, or you'd claim that they started the fire just as a publicity stunt.

Okay, I know that I am going to get a stupid, I'll-reasoned answer that makes me sorry that I ever asked, but I can't resist. How in the world have you managed to spin the fact that USBC caught a company producing non-compliant equipment and held said company accountable into something USBC has done wrong?

bltbyj: I saw that information posted, but I know nothing of that distributor site, so, for me, I'm not taking that as credible evidence that that is exactly what happened. I'm not saying that it couldn't have happened that way, but, again, I don't know that source well enough to trust that as gospel just yet. Time will tell.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make about credibility. I don't personally believe there's a conspiracy, I'm just saying that if the organization was credible in the first place there wouldn't be so much mistrust.

Gene,
I was responding to the person that asked why I thought they had lost credibility, but thanks for chiming in. I'm displeased that the USBC has convinced so many that increasing/retaining membership isn't their responsibility when that's how they make money. I guess bowling is as healthy as ever, enjoy the dues increase, they'll be back for another in a few years when membership hits 500,000 but that won't be their fault either.

 Does any pro shop operator have the equipment to calculate the Diff. of ball in their shops in Texas? Last place I knew of close by was in maybe Mehico

I forget which thread it is in, but someone asked about getting a new ball instead of the used ball in our bags right now and if Motiv should take off for the difference. Let me ask you this. if you were told from the get go, that Motiv was selling a ball that was NOT USBC approved, meaning you could only throw this in recreation, nothing sanctioned, would you have purchased the ball and put it in your bag knowing when you went to league, a tournament, or anything sanctioned, you had to leave the ball at home?

Most answers would be no, I cannot afford to buy a ball that I cannot use during any sanctioned competition.

Thus, I know I would NOT have purchased either ball from the start, so there would not have been a used ball to replace. What I am getting at here is I bought the ball and used the ball based on the fact at the time the ball was sanctioned for any competition. Turns out that was not true. If I bought a new ball to use in sanctioned competition, I need a ball that can be used in sanctioned competition and would have never purchased or used any ball that otherwise was not allowed in competition.

Quote from: tkkshop on March 16, 2016, 04:16:32 PM

I'm hearing chirps about who the mole is. Not hard to believe considering the whole "spin me" arrogance. Hopefully this come to light soon.

Are you suggesting something RADICAL? 

Maybe the person is just a physics guru?